Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-10 Thread Arthur Reutenauer via Unicode
On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 09:06:26AM +, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > The unintended usage of math alphanumerics in the real world is fairly > widespread, at least in screen names. On this topic, I was just pointed to https://twitter.com/kentcdodds/status/1083073242330361856 β€œYou

Excessive emoji usage and TTS (was Re: A last missing link)

2019-01-10 Thread Shriramana Sharma via Unicode
On Thu 10 Jan, 2019, 20:49 Arthur Reutenauer via Unicode < unicode@unicode.org wrote: > > On this topic, I was just pointed to > > https://twitter.com/kentcdodds/status/1083073242330361856 > > β€œYou 𝘡𝘩π˜ͺ𝘯𝘬 it's π’Έπ“Šπ“‰β„― to π˜„π—Ώπ—Άπ˜π—² your tweets and usernames > π–™π–π–Žπ–˜ π–œπ–†π–ž. But > have you π™‘π™žπ™¨π™©π™šπ™£π™šπ™™ t

Re: Excessive emoji usage and TTS (was Re: A last missing link)

2019-01-10 Thread Khaled Hosny via Unicode
On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 09:54:59PM +0530, Shriramana Sharma via Unicode wrote: > On Thu 10 Jan, 2019, 20:49 Arthur Reutenauer via Unicode < > unicode@unicode.org wrote: > > > > > On this topic, I was just pointed to > > > > https://twitter.com/kentcdodds/status/1083073242330361856 > > >

Re: Excessive emoji usage and TTS (was Re: A last missing link)

2019-01-10 Thread James Kass via Unicode
On 2019-01-10 4:41 PM, Khaled Hosny wrote: > That is pretty good actually and even a positive > point for emoji (if these were mere images you > would get nothing out of it without extra tagging, > and it would still lack the standardization). > Nothing like what one gets from the math symbols

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-10 Thread James Kass via Unicode
On 2019-01-10 11:27 PM, wjgo_10...@btinternet.com wrote: Yesterday I wrote as follows. I suggest that a solution to the problem would be to encode a COMBINING ITALICIZER character, such that it only applies to the character that it immediately follows. So, for example, to make the word aprico

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-10 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Oops.Β  Sorry for the inadvertent copy/paste duplication.

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-10 Thread wjgo_10...@btinternet.com via Unicode
Yesterday I wrote as follows. I suggest that a solution to the problem would be to encode a COMBINING ITALICIZER character, such that it only applies to the character that it immediately follows. So, for example, to make the word apricot become displayed in italics one would use seven COMBININ

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-10 Thread Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode
On 1/10/19 6:43 PM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: The first step would be to persuade the "powers that be" that italics are needed.Β  That seems presently unlikely.Β  There's an entrenched mindset which seems to derive from the fact that pre-existing character sets were based on mechanical type

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-10 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Mark E. Shoulson wrote, > A perhaps more affirmative step, not necessarily first > but maybe, would be to write up a proposal and submit > it through channels so the "powers that be" can > respond officially. Indeed.Β  And a preliminary step might be to float the concept on the public list and

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-10 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 23:43:46 + James Kass via Unicode wrote: > The second step would be to persuade Unicode to encode a new > character rather than simply using an existing variation selector > character to do the job. Actually, this might be a superior option. Richard.

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-10 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Richard Wordingham responded, >> ... simply using an existing variation >> selector character to do the job. > > Actually, this might be a superior option. For the V.S. option there should be a provision for consistency and open-endedness to keep it simple.Β  Start with VS14 and work backwards

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-10 Thread James Kass via Unicode
I've been advised off-list that my attempt to make an analogy with CJK doesn't sit well. It's fair to say that ideographic variation sequences are for plain-text representation of material which isn't suitable for atomic encoding.Β  An analogy can be drawn from that situation to the situatio

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-10 Thread Martin J . DΓΌrst via Unicode
On 2019/01/11 10:48, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > Is it true that many of the CJK variants now covered were previously > considered by the Consortium to be merely stylistic variants? What is a stylistic variant or not is quite a bit more complicated for CJK than for scripts such as Latin. In