[ubuntu-uk] fglrx driver under 13.04

2013-02-21 Thread Barry Drake
Hi there If any of you are using the AMD fglrx driver you might be interested in this. The driver is fine under 12.10 and earlier, but under 13.04 Raring the driver works perfectly but gives an annoying transparent message in the lower right screen saying 'AMD Unsupported Hardware'. The

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fglrx driver under 13.04

2013-02-21 Thread J Fernyhough
On 21/02/2013, Barry Drake wrote: > Hi there If any of you are using the AMD fglrx driver you might be > interested in this. The driver is fine under 12.10 and earlier, but > under 13.04 Raring the driver works perfectly but gives an annoying > transparent message in the lower right screen

[ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Gareth France
I've taken the plunge and upgraded, mostly out of boredom I think. It seems rather shakey at the moment. Sound works, then it doesn't. Intel video needs much prodding before it's usable and today everything was running at half speed for a while. However what intrigues me is that there are a nu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Colin Law
On 21 February 2013 14:56, Gareth France wrote: > I've taken the plunge and upgraded, mostly out of boredom I think. It seems > rather shakey at the moment. Sound works, then it doesn't. Intel video needs > much prodding before it's usable and today everything was running at half > speed for a whi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Tyler J. Wagner
On 2013-02-21 15:10, Colin Law wrote: > In 12.10 this was controlled via Nautilus, Edit > Preferences > > Behaviour > Run Executable Files when opened. Raring includes a major > upgrade to Nautilus and they have removed lots of useful stuff (not > the Ubuntu developers, the Nautilus developers) so

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Gareth France
On 21/02/13 15:10, Colin Law wrote: On 21 February 2013 14:56, Gareth France wrote: I've taken the plunge and upgraded, mostly out of boredom I think. It seems rather shakey at the moment. Sound works, then it doesn't. Intel video needs much prodding before it's usable and today everything was

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Gareth France
On 21/02/13 15:29, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: On 2013-02-21 15:10, Colin Law wrote: In 12.10 this was controlled via Nautilus, Edit > Preferences > Behaviour > Run Executable Files when opened. Raring includes a major upgrade to Nautilus and they have removed lots of useful stuff (not the Ubuntu de

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Simon Greenwood
On 21 February 2013 15:56, Gareth France wrote: > On 21/02/13 15:29, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: > >> On 2013-02-21 15:10, Colin Law wrote: >> >>> In 12.10 this was controlled via Nautilus, Edit > Preferences > >>> Behaviour > Run Executable Files when opened. Raring includes a major >>> upgrade to N

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Gareth France
On 21/02/13 16:00, Simon Greenwood wrote: On 21 February 2013 15:56, Gareth France > wrote: On 21/02/13 15:29, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: On 2013-02-21 15:10, Colin Law wrote: In 12.10 this was controlled via Nautilus, Edit >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Paul Sutton
>> In 12.10 this was controlled via Nautilus, Edit > Preferences > >> Behaviour > Run Executable Files when opened. Raring includes a major >> upgrade to Nautilus and they have removed lots of useful stuff (not >> the Ubuntu developers, the Nautilus developers) so it may no longer be >> there or

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Barry Drake
On 21/02/13 16:15, Paul Sutton wrote: Why,?? dumbing down is fine for perhaps home users in theory, or people with no technical ability, and they will stay like that, as they can't learn anything, if they want help it makes life very hard for old school hackers to do anything to help people, I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Paul Sutton
On 21/02/13 16:23, Barry Drake wrote: > On 21/02/13 16:15, Paul Sutton wrote: >> Why,?? dumbing down is fine for perhaps home users in theory, or >> people with no technical ability, and they will stay like that, as >> they can't learn anything, if they want help it makes life very hard >> for old

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fglrx driver under 13.04

2013-02-21 Thread Barry Drake
On 21/02/13 11:51, J Fernyhough wrote: If you are running beta versions of fglrx on Raring there are a couple of threads that are worth visiting. One is my own on ubuntuforums.org ("fglrx on raring") which should be up-to-date with the latest release. The other is the "AMD Bar and Grill" on the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Will Tinsdeall
On 21 February 2013 16:28, Paul Sutton wrote: > On 21/02/13 16:23, Barry Drake wrote: > > On 21/02/13 16:15, Paul Sutton wrote: > >> Why,?? dumbing down is fine for perhaps home users in theory, or > >> people with no technical ability, and they will stay like that, as > >> they can't learn anyth

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Tyler J. Wagner
On 2013-02-21 16:23, Barry Drake wrote: > It's not 'dumbing > down' but rather due to sweeping changes in whatever widget library > Nautilus is built from. (GTK - QT - DUNNO ). Nautilus is built on GTK and Gnome. And no, the dumbing down has nothing to do with the widget library. Nemo, built o

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Kris Douglas
On 21 February 2013 17:05, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: > Nautilus is built on GTK and Gnome. And no, the dumbing down has nothing to > do with the widget library. Nemo, built on the same libraries, works fine > and has all the power features Nautilus used to have. From the look of Nemo > (especially it

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Colin Law
On 21 February 2013 17:05, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: > On 2013-02-21 16:23, Barry Drake wrote: >> It's not 'dumbing >> down' but rather due to sweeping changes in whatever widget library >> Nautilus is built from. (GTK - QT - DUNNO ). > > Nautilus is built on GTK and Gnome. And no, the dumbing do

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Gareth France
On 21/02/13 17:01, Will Tinsdeall wrote: On 21 February 2013 16:28, Paul Sutton > wrote: On 21/02/13 16:23, Barry Drake wrote: > On 21/02/13 16:15, Paul Sutton wrote: >> Why,?? dumbing down is fine for perhaps home users in theory, or >> people with no tec

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Barry Drake
On 21/02/13 17:28, Gareth France wrote: That's really funny. You've just given the exact same argument I do, except I'm saying windows are trading usability and unity is a better experience. I really don't see the problem with it. Curiously, last week I put Mint on a spare partition just to ta

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Gareth France
On 21/02/13 17:37, Barry Drake wrote: On 21/02/13 17:28, Gareth France wrote: That's really funny. You've just given the exact same argument I do, except I'm saying windows are trading usability and unity is a better experience. I really don't see the problem with it. Curiously, last week I p

[ubuntu-uk] Changes imposed

2013-02-21 Thread Alex Cockell
Hi folks reading the thread on Nautilus being messed up by the Gnome devs... someone commented on how MS users may be trading up on usability - if they are Windows 7 users - they'd be getting hampered. What is it that's led to the GNOME developers messing it up for their end-users anyway? D

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Changes imposed

2013-02-21 Thread Gareth France
On 21/02/13 21:14, Alex Cockell wrote: Hi folks reading the thread on Nautilus being messed up by the Gnome devs... someone commented on how MS users may be trading up on usability - if they are Windows 7 users - they'd be getting hampered. What is it that's led to the GNOME developers messi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Colin Law
On 21 February 2013 17:41, Gareth France wrote: > On 21/02/13 17:37, Barry Drake wrote: >> >> On 21/02/13 17:28, Gareth France wrote: >>> >>> That's really funny. You've just given the exact same argument I do, >>> except I'm saying windows are trading usability and unity is a better >>> experienc

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Gareth France
On 21/02/13 21:19, Colin Law wrote: On 21 February 2013 17:41, Gareth France wrote: On 21/02/13 17:37, Barry Drake wrote: On 21/02/13 17:28, Gareth France wrote: That's really funny. You've just given the exact same argument I do, except I'm saying windows are trading usability and unity is a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Colin Law
On 21 February 2013 21:21, Gareth France wrote: > On 21/02/13 21:19, Colin Law wrote: >> >> On 21 February 2013 17:41, Gareth France wrote: >>> >>> On 21/02/13 17:37, Barry Drake wrote: On 21/02/13 17:28, Gareth France wrote: > > That's really funny. You've just given the exact

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Gareth France
On 21/02/13 21:35, Colin Law wrote: On 21 February 2013 21:21, Gareth France wrote: On 21/02/13 21:19, Colin Law wrote: On 21 February 2013 17:41, Gareth France wrote: On 21/02/13 17:37, Barry Drake wrote: On 21/02/13 17:28, Gareth France wrote: That's really funny. You've just given the e

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Colin Law
On 21 February 2013 21:37, Gareth France wrote: > On 21/02/13 21:35, Colin Law wrote: >> >> On 21 February 2013 21:21, Gareth France wrote: >>> >>> On 21/02/13 21:19, Colin Law wrote: On 21 February 2013 17:41, Gareth France wrote: > > On 21/02/13 17:37, Barry Drake wrote:

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Gareth France
On 21/02/13 21:40, Colin Law wrote: On 21 February 2013 21:37, Gareth France wrote: On 21/02/13 21:35, Colin Law wrote: On 21 February 2013 21:21, Gareth France wrote: On 21/02/13 21:19, Colin Law wrote: On 21 February 2013 17:41, Gareth France wrote: On 21/02/13 17:37, Barry Drake wrote:

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread SuperEngineer
On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 21:43 +, Gareth France wrote: > On 21/02/13 21:40, Colin Law wrote: > > On 21 February 2013 21:37, Gareth France > wrote: > >> On 21/02/13 21:35, Colin Law wrote: > >>> On 21 February 2013 21:21, Gareth France > wrote: > On 21/02/13 21:19, Colin Law wrote: > > O

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...

2013-02-21 Thread Colin Law
On 21 February 2013 21:59, SuperEngineer wrote: > ... > Anyone thought of just snipping and replying to the relevant part > only... this thread is cheaper than alcohol for confusing the reader ;) Apologies. Gmail makes one lazy as it automatically collapses the previous posts. No excuse I know.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Changes imposed

2013-02-21 Thread Avi Greenbury
Gareth France wrote: > On 21/02/13 21:14, Alex Cockell wrote: > >Hi folks > > > >reading the thread on Nautilus being messed up by the Gnome > >devs... someone commented on how MS users may be trading up on > >usability - if they are Windows 7 users - they'd be getting > >hampered. > > > >What is i

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Changes imposed

2013-02-21 Thread Gareth France
The thinking is not that choices and flexibility confuse them, it's that people are likely to get it wrong. Every time I've set out to 'improve' my DE by changing the fonts or sizes of things or whatever I've ended up regretting it; I am not a good UI designer, and I don't know what I like to u