Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-30 Thread Liam Proven
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-29 Thread John MM
Not an attitude, just a question On Jan 28, 2012 7:23 PM, "Andy Smith" wrote: > Hello scoundrel50a, > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 06:40:33PM +, scoundrel50a wrote: > > What is so wrong about wanting to be able to securely wipe an > > hdd. > > Nothing. As I stated, a simple singl

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Liam Proven
On 28 January 2012 22:58, Jim Price wrote: > On 28/01/12 22:36, Liam Proven wrote: >> >> On 28 January 2012 22:12, Jim Price  wrote: >>> >>> On 28/01/12 21:13, Liam Proven wrote: On 28 January 2012 19:10, Barry Drake  wrote: > > On 28/01/12 17:31, Liam Proven wrote: > > > [s

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Jim Price
On 28/01/12 22:36, Liam Proven wrote: On 28 January 2012 22:12, Jim Price wrote: On 28/01/12 21:13, Liam Proven wrote: On 28 January 2012 19:10, Barry Drakewrote: On 28/01/12 17:31, Liam Proven wrote: [snippage for brevity] There are boot floppy images for free download on: http://www.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Liam Proven
On 28 January 2012 22:12, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi Liam, > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 09:24:52PM +, Liam Proven wrote: >> Well, in theory, if you paid Kroll Ontrack £LOTS then they claim to be >> able to get much or all of the data off a zero-overwritten drive by >> meticulously examining the ver

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Liam Proven
On 28 January 2012 22:12, Jim Price wrote: > On 28/01/12 21:13, Liam Proven wrote: >> >> On 28 January 2012 19:10, Barry Drake  wrote: >>> >>> On 28/01/12 17:31, Liam Proven wrote: There are boot floppy images for free download on: http://www.bootdisk.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Free

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Jim Price
On 28/01/12 21:13, Liam Proven wrote: On 28 January 2012 19:10, Barry Drake wrote: On 28/01/12 17:31, Liam Proven wrote: There are boot floppy images for free download on: http://www.bootdisk.com/ Free download? �The guy seems to want me to pay $4 for any of his downloads. �Could be worth

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Liam, On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 09:24:52PM +, Liam Proven wrote: > Well, in theory, if you paid Kroll Ontrack £LOTS then they claim to be > able to get much or all of the data off a zero-overwritten drive by > meticulously examining the very edge of the tracks for a sort of > magnetic overspi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Liam Proven
On 28 January 2012 20:31, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi Paul, > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 08:16:19PM +, paul sutton wrote: >> On 28/01/12 18:40, scoundrel50a wrote: >> > What is so wrong about wanting to be able to securely wipe an >> > hdd.and why do people feel the need to be so condescendi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Liam Proven
On 28 January 2012 20:29, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi Nick, > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 08:00:10PM +, thegeeksquad...@ymail.com wrote: >> Just curious to know this, as I don't format disks too often, but does >> formatting a HD rid it of any bad sectors? I assume not, but I'm a tad >> perplexed!

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Liam Proven
On 28 January 2012 20:14, Barry Drake wrote: > On 28/01/12 20:00, thegeeksquad...@ymail.com wrote: >> >> Just curious to know this, as I don't format disks too often, but does >> formatting a HD rid it of any bad sectors? I assume not, but I'm a tad >> perplexed! > > AFAIK the bad sectors on SMART

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Liam Proven
On 28 January 2012 20:10, paul sutton wrote: > Back then you could create a boot disk and boot Linux from that, Er... You still can...? Or am I missing something? The machine I'm typing on has 2 versions of Ubuntu, DOS, WinXP and Win7. > it > would then point to the right place on the hdd,  so

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Liam Proven
On 28 January 2012 20:00, wrote: > Just curious to know this, as I don't format disks too often, but does > formatting a HD rid it of any bad sectors? I assume not, but I'm a tad > perplexed! No. Bad sectors are a hardware failure. "Quick formatting" /can/ in theory re-mark bad blocks as usab

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Liam Proven
On 28 January 2012 19:10, Barry Drake wrote: > On 28/01/12 17:31, Liam Proven wrote: >> >> There are boot floppy images for free download on: >> http://www.bootdisk.com/ > > > Free download?  The guy seems to want me to pay $4 for any of his downloads. >  Could be worth it, but I'll stick with Clo

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Liam Proven
On 28 January 2012 19:02, Barry Drake wrote: > On 28/01/12 17:31, Liam Proven wrote: >> >> On 28 January 2012 16:27, Ted Wager  wrote: >>> >>> I am not bothered. abt the data..All I want is for the machine to boot >>> from the hdd so the buyer can install an os. If they want a Linux system >>> I w

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Paul, On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 08:16:19PM +, paul sutton wrote: > On 28/01/12 18:40, scoundrel50a wrote: > > What is so wrong about wanting to be able to securely wipe an > > hdd.and why do people feel the need to be so condescending > > when somebody asks about it...trying to ma

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Nick, On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 08:00:10PM +, thegeeksquad...@ymail.com wrote: > Just curious to know this, as I don't format disks too often, but does > formatting a HD rid it of any bad sectors? I assume not, but I'm a tad > perplexed! Not as such. Also it depends what you mean by "forma

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread paul sutton
On 28/01/12 18:40, scoundrel50a wrote: > On 28/01/12 16:27, Ted Wager wrote: >> On Sat, 2012-01-28 at 14:46 +, Andy Smith wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 10:41:36AM +, Ted Wager wrote: I used gparted to blank a couple of hdd's that I am getting rid of however the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Barry Drake
On 28/01/12 20:00, thegeeksquad...@ymail.com wrote: Just curious to know this, as I don't format disks too often, but does formatting a HD rid it of any bad sectors? I assume not, but I'm a tad perplexed! AFAIK the bad sectors on SMART aware drives are re-located and won't be restored when f

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread paul sutton
On 28/01/12 17:55, Liam Proven wrote: > On 28 January 2012 17:44, Barry Drake wrote: >> I understand the problem. Windows (any version) refuses to install >> unless you try to install to a drive with a valid boot record. > What? No it doesn't! > > Depends on the version. I don't think I have ever

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread thegeeksquadron
2012 19:10:52 To: Reply-To: UK Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr On 28/01/12 17:31, Liam Proven wrote: > There are boot floppy images for free download on: > http://www.bootdisk.com/ Free download? The guy seems to want me to pay $4 for any of his downloads. Could be worth it

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Andy Smith
Hello scoundrel50a, On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 06:40:33PM +, scoundrel50a wrote: > What is so wrong about wanting to be able to securely wipe an > hdd. Nothing. As I stated, a simple single pass of dd is all that's needed to practically do that, and if you need more than that then DBAN

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Barry Drake
On 28/01/12 17:31, Liam Proven wrote: There are boot floppy images for free download on: http://www.bootdisk.com/ Free download? The guy seems to want me to pay $4 for any of his downloads. Could be worth it, but I'll stick with Clonezilla as it doesn't cost even $1. Regards,Barr

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Barry Drake
On 28/01/12 17:31, Liam Proven wrote: On 28 January 2012 16:27, Ted Wager wrote: I am not bothered. abt the data..All I want is for the machine to boot from the hdd so the buyer can install an os. If they want a Linux system I will install it but if they want Windows they are on their own. Use

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread scoundrel50a
On 28/01/12 16:27, Ted Wager wrote: On Sat, 2012-01-28 at 14:46 +, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 10:41:36AM +, Ted Wager wrote: I used gparted to blank a couple of hdd's that I am getting rid of however the mbrr was not formatted and they still boot from grub. Anyone

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Liam Proven
On 28 January 2012 17:44, Barry Drake wrote: > > I understand the problem.  Windows (any version) refuses to install > unless you try to install to a drive with a valid boot record. What? No it doesn't! Depends on the version. I don't think I have ever met a version that won't install *at all* b

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Barry Drake
On 28/01/12 16:34, Colin Law wrote: To install an OS it is not necessary to boot from hdd, boot from either linux or windows CD/DVD. If you make the disk completely blank as you originally asked it will not be able to boot from the hdd as it will be blank. Colin I understand the problem.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Liam Proven
On 28 January 2012 16:27, Ted Wager wrote: > I am not bothered. abt the data..All I want is for the machine to boot > from the hdd so the buyer can install an os. If they want a Linux system > I will install it but if they want Windows they are on their own. Use a DOS boot floppy - or USB stick -

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Colin Law
On 28 January 2012 16:27, Ted Wager wrote: > > I am not bothered. abt the data..All I want is for the machine to boot > from the hdd so the buyer can install an os. If they want a Linux system > I will install it but if they want Windows they are on their own. To install an OS it is not necessary

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Ted Wager
On Sat, 2012-01-28 at 14:46 +, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 10:41:36AM +, Ted Wager wrote: > > I used gparted to blank a couple of hdd's that I am getting rid of > > however the mbrr was not formatted and they still boot from grub. > > Anyone tell me how I format

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 10:41:36AM +, Ted Wager wrote: > I used gparted to blank a couple of hdd's that I am getting rid of > however the mbrr was not formatted and they still boot from grub. > Anyone tell me how I format the drive so it is completely blank ? Ah, the old "how do I secu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Ged Byrom
On 28 January 2012 10:41, Ted Wager wrote: > I used gparted to blank a couple of hdd's that I am getting rid of > however the mbrr was not formatted and they still boot from grub. > Anyone tell me how I format the drive so it is completely blank ? > Regards > Ted Wager > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lis

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Alan Pope
On 28/01/12 10:41, Ted Wager wrote: I used gparted to blank a couple of hdd's that I am getting rid of however the mbrr was not formatted and they still boot from grub. Anyone tell me how I format the drive so it is completely blank ? http://www.dban.org/ - Darik's Boot and Nuke. The canonica

[ubuntu-uk] mbr

2012-01-28 Thread Ted Wager
I used gparted to blank a couple of hdd's that I am getting rid of however the mbrr was not formatted and they still boot from grub. Anyone tell me how I format the drive so it is completely blank ? Regards Ted Wager -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubun

Re: [ubuntu-uk] MBR

2009-02-20 Thread Alan James Jenkins
I see no problem with this other than you must make sure you do not accidentally unplug the USB drive while in use as that may result in dataloss depending on what you are doing. Just be careful though and all should be ok. Home Phone: 01242 676299 iPhone temporary number: 07549956765 Fax: 0

Re: [ubuntu-uk] MBR

2009-02-20 Thread Ciaran Mooney
Hi, You can run Ubuntu (or any other linux distribution) quite happily from USB. A lot of people do because they want a more portable computing environment, but don't have a laptop. Infact I'm running Ubuntu via USB on my laptop as I write this.â Ciaran -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://li

Re: [ubuntu-uk] MBR

2009-02-20 Thread Keith
Some of you may remember that I wrote the following a couple of weeks ago and I received several helpful replies:- "The machine I am writing this on has been playing up for a long, long time and each time I switch on I wait in trepidation to see whether or not it will actually boot up. Usually

Re: [ubuntu-uk] MBR

2009-02-03 Thread norman
< snip > > I have a machine with 2 SATA drives, Ubuntu on one and Windows on the > other, which will boot into Ubuntu unless Esc is pressed at the start of > booting. The additions to menu.lst must be recorded somewhere and I will > try to find them. Here it is :- At the very end of menu.lst t

Re: [ubuntu-uk] MBR

2009-02-03 Thread norman
> Grub can be configured to boot an OS from a separate hard drive. I did > this when upgrading my hard drive, I put the old drive in on another > SATA port and the new drive on the first SATA port. I then installed > Ubuntu and configured Grub to boot Ubuntu from the old drive. Can't > reme

Re: [ubuntu-uk] MBR

2009-02-03 Thread Rob Beard
On 03/02/2009 13:06, keith wrote: > Thanks for the reply Dave. > > Not yet having opened the other machine I don't know how much room there will > be to rummage around in it. Presumably there's then the question of fiddling > about with the dip switches. > > Still I'll certainly consider what yo

Re: [ubuntu-uk] MBR

2009-02-03 Thread Jamie Pow
cheers for the info 2009/2/3 keith > Thanks for the reply Dave. > > Not yet having opened the other machine I don't know how much room there > will be to rummage around in it. Presumably there's then the question of > fiddling about with the dip switches. > > Still I'll certainly consider what

Re: [ubuntu-uk] MBR

2009-02-03 Thread Jamie Pow
ah! so A) then lol 2009/2/3 Kev > No you can have OS's installed on a number of hdds and grub will > multiple boot them all > > Kev > > Dave Morley wrote: > > On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 12:55 +, Jamie Pow wrote: > >> Hi Guys, > >> > >> > >> This may sound like a silly question but will the GRUB b

Re: [ubuntu-uk] MBR

2009-02-03 Thread keith
Thanks for the reply Dave. Not yet having opened the other machine I don't know how much room there will be to rummage around in it. Presumably there's then the question of fiddling about with the dip switches. Still I'll certainly consider what you say when I get round to doing the deed. Che

Re: [ubuntu-uk] MBR

2009-02-03 Thread Rob Beard
On 03/02/2009 13:00, Jamie Pow wrote: > And does that a) I asked a silly question or b) That GRUB only allows > configuration for multiple OS's on the one hard drvie. > > Regards, > > Jai > Grub can be configured to boot an OS from a separate hard drive. I did this when upgrading my hard drive,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] MBR

2009-02-03 Thread Kev
No you can have OS's installed on a number of hdds and grub will multiple boot them all Kev Dave Morley wrote: > On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 12:55 +, Jamie Pow wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> >> >> This may sound like a silly question but will the GRUB boot loader >> only allow you to configure to dual boot

Re: [ubuntu-uk] MBR

2009-02-03 Thread Jamie Pow
And does that a) I asked a silly question or b) That GRUB only allows configuration for multiple OS's on the one hard drvie. Regards, Jai 2009/2/3 Dave Morley > On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 12:55 +, Jamie Pow wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > This may sound like a silly question but will the GRUB b

Re: [ubuntu-uk] MBR

2009-02-03 Thread Dave Morley
On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 12:55 +, Jamie Pow wrote: > Hi Guys, > > > This may sound like a silly question but will the GRUB boot loader > only allow you to configure to dual boot if multiple OS's are > installed on the one HDD. > > > Regards, > > > Jai > Yeap :) > > -- Seek That Thy Might

Re: [ubuntu-uk] MBR

2009-02-03 Thread Jamie Pow
Hi Guys, This may sound like a silly question but will the GRUB boot loader only allow you to configure to dual boot if multiple OS's are installed on the one HDD. Regards, Jai 2009/2/3 Dave Morley > On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 12:36 +, keith wrote: > > The machine I am writing this on has been

Re: [ubuntu-uk] MBR

2009-02-03 Thread Dave Morley
On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 12:36 +, keith wrote: > The machine I am writing this on has been playing up for a long, long time > and each time I switch on I wait in trepidation to see whether or not it will > actually boot up. Usually it does but I have to accept that it is coming to > the end of

[ubuntu-uk] MBR

2009-02-03 Thread keith
The machine I am writing this on has been playing up for a long, long time and each time I switch on I wait in trepidation to see whether or not it will actually boot up. Usually it does but I have to accept that it is coming to the end of its life. I have a Windows XP machine, which I've neve

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr removal command

2007-12-04 Thread Neil Greenwood
On 03/12/2007, Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 03:34:36PM +, norman wrote: > > < snip > > > > It should be sda1 for the first SATA drive and byte size is usually > > > before count. > > > > Now I am puzzled, I always the first drive was xxx0 and not xxx1. Ah >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr removal command

2007-12-03 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 03:34:36PM +, norman wrote: > < snip > > > It should be sda1 for the first SATA drive and byte size is usually > > before count. > > Now I am puzzled, I always the first drive was xxx0 and not xxx1. Ah > well, live and learn. Thanks. Partition numbers start at 1 under

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr removal command

2007-12-01 Thread norman
> You just substitute "/dev/hda1" for the device you want, but I would > have thought it'd be more like "/dev/sda" if you want to wipe the MBR.. > Also the order of the options to "dd" does not matter. The object is to wipe the MBR and I assume it is the sda part which is relevant in this case

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr removal command

2007-12-01 Thread Terence Simpson
norman wrote: > As a result of my research into the complete removal of the MBR I came > across the following command:- > > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1 bs=512 count=1 > > I have 2 questions and I would be grateful for answers, please. Firstly, > as I have only one hdd and that is a SATA drive, sho

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr removal command

2007-12-01 Thread norman
< snip > > > It should be sda1 for the first SATA drive and byte size is usually > before count. Now I am puzzled, I always the first drive was xxx0 and not xxx1. Ah well, live and learn. Thanks. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr removal command

2007-12-01 Thread Dougie Richardson
Hi Norman, On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 10:51 +, norman wrote: > As a result of my research into the complete removal of the MBR I came > across the following command:- > > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1 bs=512 count=1 > > I have 2 questions and I would be grateful for answers, please. Firstly, > as

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr removal command

2007-12-01 Thread norman
> You would change hda1 to sda0 I would think bs=512 comes first but don't > know for sure. Thank you. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr removal command

2007-12-01 Thread Daniel Lamb
You would change hda1 to sda0 I would think bs=512 comes first but don't know for sure. Regards, Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of norman Sent: 01 December 2007 10:51 To: ubuntu-uk Subject: [ubuntu-uk] mbr removal command

[ubuntu-uk] mbr removal command

2007-12-01 Thread norman
As a result of my research into the complete removal of the MBR I came across the following command:- dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1 bs=512 count=1 I have 2 questions and I would be grateful for answers, please. Firstly, as I have only one hdd and that is a SATA drive, should I substitute sda0 for