Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-22 Thread Steve
Hi, I just want to point out a recent article on LWN.net (just appeared on LXer.com) that discusses this topic. It's an interesting read, as are some of the comments further down. http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/239036/1aa78524ec856b60/ Steve On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 17:48 +0100, Chris Jones wrote: >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread Tony Travis
Chris Jones wrote: > Hi > > Tony Travis wrote: >> I use 6.06.1 LTS for the reasons you state. >> I rest my case ;-) > > I was only disagreeing with you in the situation where the user's > hardware is too new for the current LTS release, sorry, I wasn't > especially clear about that. Hello, Chris

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread Chris Jones
Hi Tony Travis wrote: > Are there any 'point' releases of the current LTS planned? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-November/022542.html I've not seen any more recent communications about it, but I may well have missed something. > It might resolve some hardware problems if n

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread Chris Jones
Hi Tony Travis wrote: > I use 6.06.1 LTS for the reasons you state. > I rest my case ;-) I was only disagreeing with you in the situation where the user's hardware is too new for the current LTS release, sorry, I wasn't especially clear about that. Cheers, -- Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread Tony Travis
Chris Jones wrote: > Hi > > Tony Travis wrote: >> I don't dispute that, but what's the purpose of the LTS distribution? > > to be supported for a long time. If you bought a server or a workstation > last year and want it to run for a few years and not have to worry > about upgrading the whole OS

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread Chris Jones
Hi Tony Travis wrote: > I don't dispute that, but what's the purpose of the LTS distribution? to be supported for a long time. If you bought a server or a workstation last year and want it to run for a few years and not have to worry about upgrading the whole OS, an LTS release is perfect. Chee

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread Tony Travis
Chris Jones wrote: > [...] > That's not always true, e.g. Dapper is already old enough that it > struggles on newer hardware. Hello, Chris. I don't dispute that, but what's the purpose of the LTS distribution? Best wishes, Tony. -- Dr. A.J.Travis, | mailto:[EMAIL P

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread Chris Jones
Hi Tony Travis wrote: > important. However, the 'backports' repository also means you can have > the latest software under LTS if you want it. I would not recommend the some of the (almost) latest software, maybe. backports repositories certainly don't have everything and they are far less test

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread Tony Travis
Chris Jones wrote: > Hi > > Tony Travis wrote: >> Believe me, Debian/Ubuntu is much, much easier to upgrade! > > That doesn't excuse regressions. I'm sure the QA team would love more > help in reporting, tracking and solving them :) > > I would have to agree with norman though - FOSS brings peop

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread Chris Jones
Hi Tony Travis wrote: > Believe me, Debian/Ubuntu is much, much easier to upgrade! That doesn't excuse regressions. I'm sure the QA team would love more help in reporting, tracking and solving them :) I would have to agree with norman though - FOSS brings people a lot of advantages and features

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread norman
< big, big snip > > Thank you for the encouragement. You're right, I'm elderly (and now > sllow-witted), rural dwelling and socially immobile and therefore > isolated. Most of the local LUG list is technically far above me but > I live on in the belief that a direct query to a Ubuntu list will

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Quoting alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> I'm happy to give Ubuntu to anyone I know - I know that I'm going >> to have less hassles than I get with the windows boxes I've >> installed! > > That is great! Unfortunately most of the non technical people I know > would not even know what USB, or a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread alan c
Robin Menneer wrote: > On 21/06/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:41:53 +0100, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> Tony Travis wrote: >> >>> alan c wrote: >> norman wrote: >> > I believe that the very laudable

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread Robin Menneer
On 21/06/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Robin Menneer wrote: > On 21/06/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:41:53 +0100, alan c < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> Tony Travis wrote: >> >>> alan c wrote: >> norma

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread norman
< big snip > > I got Ubuntu loaded on my machine because I was led to believe that > the updates that I gratefully receive are distributed in order to > keep my software healthy, I have thought that Ubuntu is reliable, > free and friendly - apparently not ? > I'm not interested in comparing w

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread alan c
Robin Menneer wrote: > On 21/06/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:41:53 +0100, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> Tony Travis wrote: >> >>> alan c wrote: >> norman wrote: >> > I believe that the very laudable

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread Robin Menneer
On 21/06/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:41:53 +0100, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Tony Travis wrote: >>> alan c wrote: norman wrote: > I believe that the very laudable efforts in promoting the use of >> Ubuntu > ne

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread alan c
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:41:53 +0100, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Tony Travis wrote: >>> alan c wrote: norman wrote: > I believe that the very laudable efforts in promoting the use of >> Ubuntu > need to be tempered with an element of caution. As

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread alan c
Alan Pope wrote: > Hi Tony, > > On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 22:41 +0100, Tony Travis wrote: >> Have you ever upgraded Windows? >> Or MacOS? >> >> Believe me, Debian/Ubuntu is much, much easier to upgrade! > > A very good point. I think often we take for granted some of the > features of Linux (specifi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread matthew
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:41:53 +0100, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tony Travis wrote: >> alan c wrote: >>> norman wrote: I believe that the very laudable efforts in promoting the use of > Ubuntu need to be tempered with an element of caution. As far as I can tell, the server

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread alan c
Tony Travis wrote: > alan c wrote: >> norman wrote: >>> I believe that the very laudable efforts in promoting the use of Ubuntu >>> need to be tempered with an element of caution. As far as I can tell, >>> the server application is well covered and taken care of and my concern >>> is with the deskt

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-20 Thread Alan Pope
Hi Tony, On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 22:41 +0100, Tony Travis wrote: > Have you ever upgraded Windows? > Or MacOS? > > Believe me, Debian/Ubuntu is much, much easier to upgrade! A very good point. I think often we take for granted some of the features of Linux (specifically Ubuntu) that are just light

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-20 Thread Tony Travis
alan c wrote: > norman wrote: >> I believe that the very laudable efforts in promoting the use of Ubuntu >> need to be tempered with an element of caution. As far as I can tell, >> the server application is well covered and taken care of and my concern >> is with the desktop user, of which I am one

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-20 Thread alan c
norman wrote: > I believe that the very laudable efforts in promoting the use of Ubuntu > need to be tempered with an element of caution. As far as I can tell, > the server application is well covered and taken care of and my concern > is with the desktop user, of which I am one. > > Presumably,

[ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-20 Thread norman
I believe that the very laudable efforts in promoting the use of Ubuntu need to be tempered with an element of caution. As far as I can tell, the server application is well covered and taken care of and my concern is with the desktop user, of which I am one. Presumably, one of the 'selling' point