Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 23/09/11 20:33, paul sutton wrote: On 23/09/11 20:25, Avi Greenbury wrote: Juan J. wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 13:06 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 22/09/2011 00:06, Alan Bell wrote: On 21/09/11 23:29, Bea Groves wrote: Just read the following. Comments? yeah, it is potentiall

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 23/09/11 20:25, Avi Greenbury wrote: > Juan J. wrote: > >> On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 13:06 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: >>> On 22/09/2011 00:06, Alan Bell wrote: On 21/09/11 23:29, Bea Groves wrote: > Just read the following. Comments? > yeah, it is potentially very nasty. >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

Juan J. wrote: > On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 13:06 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: > > On 22/09/2011 00:06, Alan Bell wrote: > > > On 21/09/11 23:29, Bea Groves wrote: > > >> Just read the following. Comments? > > >> > > > yeah, it is potentially very nasty. > > > > Even more so when the next step

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: > Now whether Windows 8 will even be a factor in this I don't know. > Certainly AFAIK (as above) many large corporations have not yet > upgraded to Windows 7, even though it's been out for nearly two years > now and XP comes out of support in 30 months As time goe

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

Hi! You can say that again! The biggest problem I have is to try to get people to distinguish between 'Microsoft skills' and 'computer skills' - and that's a huge uphill struggle. The problem is: it's a situation exacerbated by the fact that the whole education sector is virtually a 'Windows-only'

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 23/09/11 18:43, Juan J. Martínez wrote: > On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 18:07 +0100, paul sutton wrote: >>> >>> When I'm talking to voluntary sector orgs >>> they frequently say to me that >>> Microsoft Wind

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On Fri, 2011-09-23 at 18:07 +0100, paul sutton wrote: > > > > > When I'm talking to voluntary sector orgs > > they frequently say to me that > > Microsoft Windows is 'part of the computer' > >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

> > When I'm talking to voluntary sector orgs they frequently > say to me that > Microsoft Windows is 'part of the computer' and if you > change the OS it > won't work properly any more. This could make that current > misconce

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 23 September 2011 16:59, Tony Pursell wrote: > > > On 23 September 2011 16:20, James Morrissey wrote: > >> This appeared on the OMGUbuntu site earlier today: >> >> >> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/microsoft-attempt-address-windows-8-linux-worries/ >> >> james. >> >> On 23 September 2011 16

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 23 September 2011 16:20, James Morrissey wrote: > This appeared on the OMGUbuntu site earlier today: > > > http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/microsoft-attempt-address-windows-8-linux-worries/ > > james. > > On 23 September 2011 16:05, gazz wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 00:06 +0100,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

This appeared on the OMGUbuntu site earlier today: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/microsoft-attempt-address-windows-8-linux-worries/ james. On 23 September 2011 16:05, gazz wrote: > > > On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 00:06 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: > > On 21/09/11 23:29, Bea Groves wrote: > > > Just

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 00:06 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: > On 21/09/11 23:29, Bea Groves wrote: > > Just read the following. Comments? > > > yeah, it is potentially very nasty. > To be Windows 8 certified computers will have to be able to do this > secure boot thing. Most will include an option to tu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 22/09/11 22:31, paul sutton wrote: > How do you educate people about this new technology built in to BIOS's > without boring people,.confusing people with what they see as compex > jargon or worse coming across as paranoid. All of which is counter > productive, This is the genius of the strat

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 22/09/2011 22:31, paul sutton wrote: Well there seems to be a market for PC's minus an OS now, I suppose it all depends on what your target "market" is. It would be interesting to find out the ratio of computers (and by that term I mean both laptops and desktops) used in business to that o

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 22/09/11 21:14, richard wrote: > another possibility is that more places may offer computers with linux > installed or without OS (and cripple gadget) because there will then be > a market for them to people like us, if we can't just buy any old pc and > put our favourite distro on it. > Well t

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

another possibility is that more places may offer computers with linux installed or without OS (and cripple gadget) because there will then be a market for them to people like us, if we can't just buy any old pc and put our favourite distro on it. > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 22/09/11 10:50, alan c wrote: On 22/09/11 09:47, Paul Sutton wrote: We would have to do a lot of awareness raising and support things like install days to get round things like this. as the borg say "we will adapt" The FLOSS world's lack of competence, or even appetite, for publicity or ma

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 17:12 +0100, paul sutton wrote: > [...] > >> As Alan says, in the short term though, Linux will have to adapt to EFI > > what does EFI mean,? Extensible Firmware Interface (was developed by Intel, now it's UEFI and it's supposed to be "more open"... but I think most of the t

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

>> >> On the other hand, the success of the iPad and other tablets has >> blurred the distinction between PC and phone and the tablet-type >> device may supersede the PC more in the coming years, something which >> Microsoft have seen and responded to by finally porting Windows to >> ARM, somethin

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 22/09/11 13:13, Juan J. Martínez wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 13:06 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 22/09/2011 00:06, Alan Bell wrote: On 21/09/11 23:29, Bea Groves wrote: Just read the following. Comments? yeah, it is potentially very nasty. Even more so when the next step could

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 22/09/2011 13:13, Juan J. Martínez wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 13:06 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 22/09/2011 00:06, Alan Bell wrote: On 21/09/11 23:29, Bea Groves wrote: Just read the following. Comments? yeah, it is potentially very nasty. Even more so when the next step coul

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 22/09/2011 13:01, alan c wrote: On 22/09/11 12:50, Simon Greenwood wrote: On 22 September 2011 11:53, alan c wrote: On 22/09/11 11:14, Simon Greenwood wrote: On 22 September 2011 10:50, alan c wrote: On 22/09/11 09:47, Paul Sutton wrote: We would have to do a lot of awareness raising

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 13:06 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: > On 22/09/2011 00:06, Alan Bell wrote: > > On 21/09/11 23:29, Bea Groves wrote: > >> Just read the following. Comments? > >> > > yeah, it is potentially very nasty. > > Even more so when the next step could be to require signed keys

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 22/09/2011 00:06, Alan Bell wrote: On 21/09/11 23:29, Bea Groves wrote: Just read the following. Comments? yeah, it is potentially very nasty. Even more so when the next step could be to require signed keys to run applications - then MS could control the hardware and the OS AND what peo

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 22/09/11 12:50, Simon Greenwood wrote: > On 22 September 2011 11:53, alan c wrote: > >> On 22/09/11 11:14, Simon Greenwood wrote: >> > On 22 September 2011 10:50, alan c wrote: >> > >> >> On 22/09/11 09:47, Paul Sutton wrote: >> >> > We would have to do a lot of awareness raising and support

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 22 September 2011 11:53, alan c wrote: > On 22/09/11 11:14, Simon Greenwood wrote: > > On 22 September 2011 10:50, alan c wrote: > > > >> On 22/09/11 09:47, Paul Sutton wrote: > >> > We would have to do a lot of awareness raising and support things like > >> > install days to get round things

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 22/09/11 11:14, Simon Greenwood wrote: > On 22 September 2011 10:50, alan c wrote: > >> On 22/09/11 09:47, Paul Sutton wrote: >> > We would have to do a lot of awareness raising and support things like >> > install days to get round things like this. as the borg say "we will >> > adapt" >> >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 22 September 2011 10:50, alan c wrote: > On 22/09/11 09:47, Paul Sutton wrote: > > We would have to do a lot of awareness raising and support things like > > install days to get round things like this. as the borg say "we will > > adapt" > > The FLOSS world's lack of competence, or even appe

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 22/09/11 09:47, Paul Sutton wrote: > We would have to do a lot of awareness raising and support things like > install days to get round things like this. as the borg say "we will > adapt" The FLOSS world's lack of competence, or even appetite, for publicity or marketing is the elephant in t

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 22/09/11 09:42, Simon Greenwood wrote: On 22 September 2011 00:06, Alan Bell > wrote: On 21/09/11 23:29, Bea Groves wrote: Just read the following. Comments? yeah, it is potentially very nasty. To be Windows 8 certified computers will

Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 22 September 2011 00:06, Alan Bell wrote: > On 21/09/11 23:29, Bea Groves wrote: > >> Just read the following. Comments? >> >> yeah, it is potentially very nasty. > To be Windows 8 certified computers will have to be able to do this secure > boot thing. Most will include an option to turn it

[ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

On 21/09/11 23:29, Bea Groves wrote: Just read the following. Comments? yeah, it is potentially very nasty. To be Windows 8 certified computers will have to be able to do this secure boot thing. Most will include an option to turn it off, exactly like the google chromebooks do, they have a sw