Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-11 Thread Mark Harrison
Mac wrote: > One of the bloggers pointed out that in the USA, breach of copyright can > be a criminal offence as well as a civil one > There was a proposal to make such a thing criminal in Europe, but AIUI, it got rejected by the European Parliament earlier this year! > Do you (or Matthew) kno

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mac
Mark Harrison wrote: > In the UK, it's hard to see how the courts would do anything other than > In the US, the concept of "punitive damages" exists, > What I don't see (and this is where I came in - in disagreeing with some > of the web articles written) is that a customer calling for support

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Matthew East
Hiya * Mac: > Matthew East wrote: > That seems to me not contract, but a beautiful and unexpected > inversion of copyright law. A "beautiful inversion of copyright law" isn't a legal concept. The extract you've cited from Eben isn't addressing the mechanism by which an author who publishes

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mark Harrison
Lee Tambiah wrote: > > Without disscussion I think the GPL 3 is a very good license which > protects Free Software and overall should strengthen it. I agree. I agree that you, and any programmer, should have the right to choose the GPLv3 in new products you create. However, I also believe that

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mark Harrison
Mac wrote: > That seems to me not contract, but a beautiful and unexpected > inversion of copyright law. I'm sorry, but I don't understand this line of argument... Let me explain my understanding first, then someone can tell me what I'm missing... - A contract is a legally binding agreement bet

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mac
Matthew East wrote: >...The GPL is a license (hence the "L") by which (among > other things) the licensor and copyright holder grants the licensee the > right to use and redistribute the program subject to certain conditions. > > A license is a type of contract, in this case between the program m

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Matthew East
> Mark Harrison wrote: >> Mac wrote: >>> You do have to hand it to Richard Stallman, Eben Moglen and their >>> colleagues - the genius evident in GPLv3 just takes your breath away: > >> I'm no lawyer, but in the UK at least, there are at least two problems >> with the "legal analysis" here: >> >>

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mac
Mark Harrison wrote: > It's hard to see, however, how any legal document written on 1st July > could retrospectively apply to a contract signed on the 30th June unless > the contract made specific provision for itself to be modified. I may be wrong, but I thought that's exactly what GPLv2 had d

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Lee Tambiah
On 7/10/07, Mark Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mac wrote: > As I understand it, GPLv3 is not a contract; it's a waiver of copyright > that passes to those who also waive copyright. This is what's so clever > about it - it just doesn't work like a contract or licence. I think > this is w

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mark Harrison
Mac wrote: > As I understand it, GPLv3 is not a contract; it's a waiver of copyright > that passes to those who also waive copyright. This is what's so clever > about it - it just doesn't work like a contract or licence. I think > this is why patent/copyright lawyers have such trouble with it

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mac
Mark Harrison wrote: > Mac wrote: >> You do have to hand it to Richard Stallman, Eben Moglen and their >> colleagues - the genius evident in GPLv3 just takes your breath away: > I'm no lawyer, but in the UK at least, there are at least two problems > with the "legal analysis" here: > > - I had

Re: [ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mark Harrison
Mac wrote: > You do have to hand it to Richard Stallman, Eben Moglen and their > colleagues - the genius evident in GPLv3 just takes your breath away: > > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/blogs/microsoft_the_copyright_infringer > > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070709101318827 > >

[ubuntu-uk] The genius of FSF

2007-07-10 Thread Mac
You do have to hand it to Richard Stallman, Eben Moglen and their colleagues - the genius evident in GPLv3 just takes your breath away: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/blogs/microsoft_the_copyright_infringer http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070709101318827 Mac -- ubuntu-uk@li