Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Avi Greenbury
Chris Rowson wrote: > > I can also understand a general unwillingness to disconnect software > > from the license under which it is made available; I don't see > > what's gained from splitting them. Why would you wish to be able to > > ban non-Open source products from tendering? > > > You wouldn't

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Chris Rowson
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Alan Bell wrote: > On 19/11/11 20:33, Chris Rowson wrote: > >> >> >> I did wonder if anyone on the list had responded to the Cabinet Office >> consultation :-) >> >> >> >> I am kind of involved in the process (funny how Ubuntu ended up on the > list isn't it? . .

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Alan Bell
On 19/11/11 20:33, Chris Rowson wrote: I did wonder if anyone on the list had responded to the Cabinet Office consultation :-) I am kind of involved in the process (funny how Ubuntu ended up on the list isn't it? . . .) It is hugely political, and a bit "Yes Minister"ish but yeah there

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Juan J.
On Sat, 2011-11-19 at 21:37 +, alan c wrote: > On 19/11/11 20:40, Juan J. Martínez wrote: > > I don't know the details about UK gov, but in Spain the government pays > > an absurd amount of money just for the licenses, and then pays for > > support... frequently from a third party (probably the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread alan c
On 19/11/11 20:40, Juan J. Martínez wrote: > I don't know the details about UK gov, but in Spain the government pays > an absurd amount of money just for the licenses, and then pays for > support... frequently from a third party (probably the vendor providing > the hardware, with a partnership with

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread alan c
On 19/11/11 21:03, Avi Greenbury wrote: > Chris Rowson wrote: > >> The bit that jumped out at me personally was the legal definition of >> open source as a product rather than a feature. I wondered if this >> might make it difficult to specify open source as a requirement in a >> tender (because i

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Chris Rowson
> > > I can also understand a general unwillingness to disconnect software > from the license under which it is made available; I don't see what's > gained from splitting them. Why would you wish to be able to ban > non-Open source products from tendering? > > > You wouldn't want to ban non-open so

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread alan c
On 19/11/11 20:33, Chris Rowson wrote: >> >> >> > The 'All About Open Source' document is particularly interesting >> > because it explains why UK.gov can't mandate Open Source software. >> > It's not entirely straight forward; I'm not entirely sure, but I >> > think it means to say that UK.gov con

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Avi Greenbury
Chris Rowson wrote: > The bit that jumped out at me personally was the legal definition of > open source as a product rather than a feature. I wondered if this > might make it difficult to specify open source as a requirement in a > tender (because it seems that as far as the legal definition in t

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread alan c
On 19/11/11 20:24, Barry Drake wrote: > On 19/11/11 14:45, Chris Rowson wrote: >> I thought some of you might be interested in this recent guidance >> released by the Cabinet Office on Open Source Software: > I'm quite excited by this. I had already contacted my MP, MEP, local > councillor and C

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Juan J.
On Sat, 2011-11-19 at 20:09 +, Avi Greenbury wrote: > Chris Rowson wrote: > > > The 'All About Open Source' document is particularly interesting > > because it explains why UK.gov can't mandate Open Source software. > > It's not entirely straight forward; I'm not entirely sure, but I > > think

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Chris Rowson
> > > > The 'All About Open Source' document is particularly interesting > > because it explains why UK.gov can't mandate Open Source software. > > It's not entirely straight forward; I'm not entirely sure, but I > > think it means to say that UK.gov considers 'Open Source' a product > > (perhaps l

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Barry Drake
On 19/11/11 14:45, Chris Rowson wrote: I thought some of you might be interested in this recent guidance released by the Cabinet Office on Open Source Software: I'm quite excited by this. I had already contacted my MP, MEP, local councillor and County Councillor about Open Standards. Now I've

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Avi Greenbury
Chris Rowson wrote: > The 'All About Open Source' document is particularly interesting > because it explains why UK.gov can't mandate Open Source software. > It's not entirely straight forward; I'm not entirely sure, but I > think it means to say that UK.gov considers 'Open Source' a product > (pe

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread alan c
On 19/11/11 14:45, Chris Rowson wrote: > I thought some of you might be interested in this recent guidance released > by the Cabinet Office on Open Source Software: > > http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/resource-library/open-source-procurement-toolkit > > It's publicly accessible so you don't need

[ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Chris Rowson
I thought some of you might be interested in this recent guidance released by the Cabinet Office on Open Source Software: http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/resource-library/open-source-procurement-toolkit It's publicly accessible so you don't need a .gov.uk address to get access, and it might be he