Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-07-07 Thread Liam Wilson
Liam Wilson wrote: > David King wrote: >> That's all the more reason for people to switch to a free alternative >> like Ubuntu. >> >> >> David King >> >> >> >> John Matthews wrote: >> >>> Yeh, but its costing us, MS are charging the EU almost a 1/3rd more >>> than elsewhe

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-07-07 Thread David King
That's all the more reason for people to switch to a free alternative like Ubuntu. David King John Matthews wrote: >> >> > Yeh, but its costing us, MS are charging the EU almost a 1/3rd more than > elsewhere for W7 upgrades. It seems that MS are going to make us pay for > that. > > J

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-07-07 Thread John Matthews
Sean Miller wrote: > "European buyers of Windows 7 will have to download and install a web > browser for themselves. Bowing to European competition rules, > Microsoft Windows 7 will ship without Internet Explorer *snip" > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8096701.stm > > That could be quite a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-13 Thread Robert Longstaff
> Personally, I feel sorry for those going to do a fresh install of > Vista7, because how are you supposed to download a browser without a > browser? There are three scenarios I can think of: - Corporate, who have IT departments who will add a browser in - OEMs, who customise Windows anyway so

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-13 Thread Liam Wilson
Rob Beard wrote: > Dave Morley wrote: > >> It maybe a none essential upgrade that MS could have. In Vista they do >> this for driver updates. >> >> > That's true, they seem to bundle other apps in Windows Update on Vista > and Windows 7 and it doesn't use Internet Explorer at all as fa

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread mike daniels
There is a detailed report on this thread on computeractive, in their news section, makes a very interesting read, regards, Michael --- On Fri, 12/6/09, Dean Sas wrote: From: Dean Sas Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7 To: a...@princeswalk.fsnet.co.uk, "British Ubuntu Talk&qu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread Dean Sas
Tony Pursell wrote: > If the EU Competition Commission really had teeth they would make > MS offer all browsers from a 'Install a browser' link on the desktop. A link that worked as you mentioned would probably be better be labelled as "Make the internet work". Is it a good idea to force the use

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread Tony Pursell
On 12 Jun 2009 at 18:30, Tony Pursell wrote: > > On 12 Jun 2009 at 14:33, Sean Miller wrote: > > > > > Having read the news piece properly I'm now of the view that it's a > > cynical move to pass the responsibility for bundling the browser to > > somebody else. > > > > Perhaps we should campaig

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread Steve
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:20:21 +0100, Harry Rickards wrote: > Maybe the OEMs could write a script that lets the user choose which > browser to install (and use) when powering on the PC for the first time. > This of cause, assumes that people want a choice. -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread Tony Pursell
On 12 Jun 2009 at 14:33, Sean Miller wrote: > > Having read the news piece properly I'm now of the view that it's a > cynical move to pass the responsibility for bundling the browser to > somebody else. > > Perhaps we should campaign to try to shame OEMs into bundling two or > three browsers ont

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread Harry Rickards
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/12/09 14:33, Sean Miller wrote: > Having read the news piece properly I'm now of the view that it's a > cynical move to pass the responsibility for bundling the browser to > somebody else. > > Perhaps we should campaign to try to shame OEMs into

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread William Anderson
Sean Miller wrote: > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 2:19 PM, doug livesey wrote: >> Well, no, because Ubuntu comes bundled with FF. > > Even if it didn't. > > There are many in the repos. This is what Windows needs, an easy to use system to install and update apps loaded on a machine. If there were an

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread Sean Miller
It would be nice to see the OEMs bundling OpenOffice too, instead of trial versions of Microsoft Office. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread Sean Miller
Having read the news piece properly I'm now of the view that it's a cynical move to pass the responsibility for bundling the browser to somebody else. Perhaps we should campaign to try to shame OEMs into bundling two or three browsers onto their Windows 7 PCs? Say, Google's Chrome, IE and Firefox

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread Sean Miller
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 2:19 PM, doug livesey wrote: > Well, no, because Ubuntu comes bundled with FF. Even if it didn't. There are many in the repos. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread doug livesey
Well, no, because Ubuntu comes bundled with FF. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread Sean Miller
I hadn't thought of the "won't have a browser with which to download a browser" aspect. If they were sensible and used Ubuntu, of course, they wouldn't need a browser to download a browser would they! Sean On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Rob Beard wrote: > Matthew Wild wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 12,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread Rob Beard
Matthew Wild wrote: > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Rob Beard wrote: > >> Alan Lord (News) wrote: >> >>> On 12/06/09 12:20, Alan Pope wrote: >>> >>> 2009/6/12 Sean Miller: > "European buyers of Windows 7 will have to download and install a web > bro

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread Rob Beard
doug livesey wrote: > A better model would be to let the customer customise their install. > So they can see the price rocketing up as they select Windows & IE & > the like. > Like the way the Dell customise app works. True, I bet a lot of people don't consider how much Windows costs, but then I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread Matthew Wild
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Rob Beard wrote: > Alan Lord (News) wrote: >> On 12/06/09 12:20, Alan Pope wrote: >> >>> 2009/6/12 Sean Miller: >>> "European buyers of Windows 7 will have to download and install a web browser for themselves. Bowing to European competition rules, Mic

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread doug livesey
A better model would be to let the customer customise their install. So they can see the price rocketing up as they select Windows & IE & the like. Like the way the Dell customise app works. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/U

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread Rob Beard
Dave Morley wrote: > It maybe a none essential upgrade that MS could have. In Vista they do > this for driver updates. > That's true, they seem to bundle other apps in Windows Update on Vista and Windows 7 and it doesn't use Internet Explorer at all as far as I can tell. Not to mention in IE

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread Rob Beard
Alan Lord (News) wrote: > On 12/06/09 12:20, Alan Pope wrote: > >> 2009/6/12 Sean Miller: >> >>> "European buyers of Windows 7 will have to download and install a web >>> browser for themselves. Bowing to European competition rules, >>> Microsoft Windows 7 will ship without Internet Explore

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread Rob Beard
Sean Miller wrote: > "European buyers of Windows 7 will have to download and install a web > browser for themselves. Bowing to European competition rules, > Microsoft Windows 7 will ship without Internet Explorer *snip" > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8096701.stm > > That could be quite a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread Dave Morley
On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 12:25 +0100, Alan Lord (News) wrote: > On 12/06/09 12:20, Alan Pope wrote: > > 2009/6/12 Sean Miller: > >> "European buyers of Windows 7 will have to download and install a web > >> browser for themselves. Bowing to European competition rules, > >> Microsoft Windows 7 will shi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 12/06/09 12:20, Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/6/12 Sean Miller: >> "European buyers of Windows 7 will have to download and install a web >> browser for themselves. Bowing to European competition rules, >> Microsoft Windows 7 will ship without Internet Explorer *snip" >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/t

Re: [ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread Alan Pope
2009/6/12 Sean Miller : > "European buyers of Windows 7 will have to download and install a web > browser for themselves. Bowing to European competition rules, > Microsoft Windows 7 will ship without Internet Explorer *snip" > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8096701.stm > > That could be qu

[ubuntu-uk] No IE in Windows 7

2009-06-12 Thread Sean Miller
"European buyers of Windows 7 will have to download and install a web browser for themselves. Bowing to European competition rules, Microsoft Windows 7 will ship without Internet Explorer *snip" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8096701.stm That could be quite a turning point in the browser w