Re: [ubuntu-uk] Free vs non-free drivers etc

2006-11-17 Thread alan c
Norman Silverstone wrote: >> > < snip > > >> > When I first changed to Linux I thought that I would be able to do all >> > that I wanted to do on my PC without having to pay money for software. >> >> I find I can do this - so far anyway, even though I would not have >> great objection to payment

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Free vs non-free drivers etc

2006-11-17 Thread Jonathan Roberts
>The emphasis is slightly different. Open Source doesn't (always) have >the freedom aspect, at least not all four freedoms from the GPL >(paraphrased here): > - freedom to run > - freedom to study > - freedom to redistribute > - freedom to change and release For anyone wondering about this

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Free vs non-free drivers etc

2006-11-17 Thread Norman Silverstone
> > < snip > > > When I first changed to Linux I thought that I would be able to do all > > that I wanted to do on my PC without having to pay money for software. > > I find I can do this - so far anyway, even though I would not have > great objection to payment (although my income happens to b

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Free vs non-free drivers etc

2006-11-17 Thread alan c
Norman Silverstone wrote: > : >> On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 12:47 +, Norman Silverstone wrote: >> > > Are you confusing free as in beer with free as in freedom? FOSS does not >> > > have to be free as in beer! >> > >> > I find this very confusing. If I buy an application to run in Ubuntu >> > what

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Free vs non-free drivers etc

2006-11-17 Thread alan c
Tony Arnold wrote: > Alan, > > On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:20:53 +, alan c wrote: > >> Tony Arnold wrote: > >>> Are you confusing free as in beer with free as in freedom? FOSS does >>> not have to be free as in beer! >> >> No I am not, for myself anyway. I purchased a retail box of suse 9.1 for

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Free vs non-free drivers etc

2006-11-17 Thread Norman Silverstone
: > On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 12:47 +, Norman Silverstone wrote: > > > Are you confusing free as in beer with free as in freedom? FOSS does not > > > have to be free as in beer! > > > > I find this very confusing. If I buy an application to run in Ubuntu > > what sort of freedom is represented? >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Free vs non-free drivers etc

2006-11-17 Thread Neil Greenwood
On 17/11/06, Caroline Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Free (as in software) means freedom, not money. This is why some people > (myself included) prefer the terms Open Source or Software Libre. I > think in English when people hear the term free they always think of > money first. Sorry to be pe

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Free vs non-free drivers etc

2006-11-17 Thread Tony Arnold
Alan, On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:20:53 +, alan c wrote: > Tony Arnold wrote: >> Are you confusing free as in beer with free as in freedom? FOSS does >> not have to be free as in beer! > > No I am not, for myself anyway. I purchased a retail box of suse 9.1 for > example a while ago. > > And th

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Free vs non-free drivers etc

2006-11-16 Thread Caroline Ford
On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 12:47 +, Norman Silverstone wrote: > > Are you confusing free as in beer with free as in freedom? FOSS does not > > have to be free as in beer! > > I find this very confusing. If I buy an application to run in Ubuntu > what sort of freedom is represented? > > Norman Fre

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Free vs non-free drivers etc

2006-11-16 Thread alan c
Tony Arnold wrote: > Alan, > > alan c wrote: > >> a further thought - I have a deep and penetrating appreciation of open >> source software, but I sometimes reflect on the future of the software >> industry. I often get the impression that foss authors frequently have >> a programming day job,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Free vs non-free drivers etc

2006-11-16 Thread Tony Arnold
Norman, Norman Silverstone wrote: >> Are you confusing free as in beer with free as in freedom? FOSS does not >> have to be free as in beer! > > I find this very confusing. If I buy an application to run in Ubuntu > what sort of freedom is represented? If it is FOSS that you have bought, then th

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Free vs non-free drivers etc

2006-11-16 Thread Norman Silverstone
> Are you confusing free as in beer with free as in freedom? FOSS does not > have to be free as in beer! I find this very confusing. If I buy an application to run in Ubuntu what sort of freedom is represented? Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ub

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Free vs non-free drivers etc

2006-11-16 Thread Tony Arnold
Alan, alan c wrote: > a further thought - I have a deep and penetrating appreciation of open > source software, but I sometimes reflect on the future of the software > industry. I often get the impression that foss authors frequently have > a programming day job, not always in foss areas. In

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Free vs non-free drivers etc

2006-11-16 Thread alan c
Rob Beard wrote: > Hi folks, > > I was wondering if I could get peoples general opinion on free vs > non-free drivers etc. I have just attended a BCS talk/discussion on Open vs Closed: http://berkshire.bcs.org.uk/ == Title: The ‘Open versus Closed’ Debate 14th

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Free vs non-free drivers etc

2006-11-16 Thread Alan Pope
On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 06:17:45PM +, Rob Beard wrote: > I just wondered what others thought. How I see it, we're in a perfect > position to be talking up and demonstrating Linux as an alternative to > users moving over to Vista and potentially dumping a perfectly good > computer. I am get

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Free vs non-free drivers etc

2006-11-16 Thread Alan Pope
On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 06:39:35PM +, David Morley wrote: > On 15/11/06, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > I was wondering if I could get peoples general opinion on free vs > > non-free drivers etc. > > > I have a pragmatic view. In a utopian world all software would

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Free vs non-free drivers etc

2006-11-15 Thread David Morley
On 15/11/06, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi folks, > > I was wondering if I could get peoples general opinion on free vs > non-free drivers etc. > I have two views on this number one I play games on my machine so I want 3d, which is only available via non-free drivers. Number 2 I belie

[ubuntu-uk] Free vs non-free drivers etc

2006-11-15 Thread Rob Beard
Hi folks, I was wondering if I could get peoples general opinion on free vs non-free drivers etc. We have been having a discussion on our LUG about Flash on PPC. It eventually turned into a proprietary is bad argument with the usual suspects preaching that everyone should use just free softwa