Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-28 Thread Tim Powys-Lybbe
In message of 28 Aug, "Sean Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:58 AM, London School of Puppetry > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Much relates to necessity and opportunity. As most management is male, then > > there will be fewer opportunities given to women. But I kno

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-28 Thread Dianne Reuby
On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 16:47 +0100, Eddie Armstrong wrote: > Dianne Reuby wrote: > > We're having practically this same discussion on one of my crochet > > mailing lists - except that we're wondering why females dominate the > > lists and there are so few men. :) > > > M, I wonder why too :

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-28 Thread Sean Miller
Time Warner didn't help... buy flippin' Netscape and then continue to use IE's rendering engine in their AOL browser. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-28 Thread Eddie Armstrong
Dianne Reuby wrote: > We're having practically this same discussion on one of my crochet > mailing lists - except that we're wondering why females dominate the > lists and there are so few men. :) > M, I wonder why too :-) Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailma

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-28 Thread Mark Fraser
On Thursday 28 August 2008 11:47:46 Lucy wrote: > On 28/08/2008, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi there - I suppose my concern is not a personal need to join a group > > etc- but rather the impression an organisation makes- I think Ubuntu is > > great- and the support fro

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-28 Thread London School of Puppetry
2008/8/28 Lucy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 28/08/2008, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi there - I suppose my concern is not a personal need to join a group > etc- > > but rather the impression an organisation makes- I think Ubuntu is great- > > and the support from the 'com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-28 Thread Lucy
On 28/08/2008, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there - I suppose my concern is not a personal need to join a group etc- > but rather the impression an organisation makes- I think Ubuntu is great- > and the support from the 'community'(male or female) helping me to make a >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-28 Thread London School of Puppetry
2008/8/28 Lucy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 28/08/2008, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Much relates to necessity and opportunity. As most management is male, > then > > there will be fewer opportunities given to women. But I know several > women > > working in IT, and everyo

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-28 Thread London School of Puppetry
2008/8/28 Lucy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 28/08/2008, Dianne Reuby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We're having practically this same discussion on one of my crochet > > mailing lists - except that we're wondering why females dominate the > > lists and there are so few men. :) > > I think the ways

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-28 Thread Lucy
On 28/08/2008, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Much relates to necessity and opportunity. As most management is male, then > there will be fewer opportunities given to women. But I know several women > working in IT, and everyone I know uses computers to some extent. I am t

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-28 Thread Sean Miller
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:58 AM, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Much relates to necessity and opportunity. As most management is male, then > there will be fewer opportunities given to women. But I know several women Interestingly, at Cornhill Insurance (later Allianz) wh

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-28 Thread London School of Puppetry
2008/8/28 Sean Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Lucy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > computers is mainly because of social upbringing. For example, in > > India (and some other asian countries) there are more equal numbers of > > men and women working in programming). I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-28 Thread Lucy
On 28/08/2008, Dianne Reuby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We're having practically this same discussion on one of my crochet > mailing lists - except that we're wondering why females dominate the > lists and there are so few men. :) I think the ways of social interaction between groups of men and

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-28 Thread Lucy
On 28/08/2008, Sean Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What worries me about any thread such as this is that there is a > serious danger that we create allegations of discrimination when in > reality it's just the way it is - women are programmed differently to > men (no pun intended) and seem

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-28 Thread Dianne Reuby
We're having practically this same discussion on one of my crochet mailing lists - except that we're wondering why females dominate the lists and there are so few men. :) Dianne -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-28 Thread Sean Miller
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Lucy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > computers is mainly because of social upbringing. For example, in > India (and some other asian countries) there are more equal numbers of > men and women working in programming). It wasn't so long ago that This wasn't my experienc

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-27 Thread Lucy
On 27/08/2008, norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > There, the girls were encouraged to sit at the > keyboard and, those that did, soon realised that nothing drastic or > terminal was going to happen. > > This was about 25 years ago and bears no comparison with schools today > but I won

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-27 Thread norman
Many years ago, when my wife was a teacher of modern foreign languages and schools had very few computers, the question of girls versus boys in the use of computers was often discussed at some length. As a generalisation, it was very obvious that boys were very keen to get there hands on the few ma

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-27 Thread Lizzeh R
Just for the record, I'm a 28 year woman (my username is BinaryDigit on the forums) and a HUGE tech geek. I've always been interested in computers, electronics, linux, and hardware. I think it's just something that you are born with...being technically inclined. I know only 2 girls from college (

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-27 Thread Roger Lancefield
2008/8/7 London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In a conversation recently someone said to me that Ubuntu is only for > techies.and blokes at that- and young blokes at that! > Out of interest, as a middle-aged woman- I rarely see any other female > names on the forum- but I really like

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-27 Thread Michael G Fletcher
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:38 AM, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jai Harrison wrote: > >> What we really need is a multiplatform messaging protocol + client to >> cut into the Microsoft instant messaging market - the younger >> generation of Microsoft Windows users. > > Isn't that what Pidgin

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-27 Thread alan c
Jai Harrison wrote: > What we really need is a multiplatform messaging protocol + client to > cut into the Microsoft instant messaging market - the younger > generation of Microsoft Windows users. Isn't that what Pidgin is for or have I misunderstood? -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 Linux user

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-27 Thread ptaylor
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Michael G Fletcher wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Jai Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hey, >> >> I've tried to convert girls before but the problem is they're focused >> on things like Microsoft's "Windows Live Messenger" and social use of >> their operatin

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-27 Thread Michael G Fletcher
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Jai Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, > > I've tried to convert girls before but the problem is they're focused > on things like Microsoft's "Windows Live Messenger" and social use of > their operating system. Whilst this can (and is) done with GNU/Linux >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-27 Thread Jai Harrison
Hey, I've tried to convert girls before but the problem is they're focused on things like Microsoft's "Windows Live Messenger" and social use of their operating system. Whilst this can (and is) done with GNU/Linux they don't have Windows Live Messenger. No, it does not run in Wine (http://appdb.wi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-21 Thread Farran
On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 21:04 +0100, London School of Puppetry wrote: > > > > 2008/8/8 James Edward Grabham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > everyone is welcome and no one is put off (hopefully!) > > > > I know some people (geeks, and red hat users) who don't li

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-08 Thread London School of Puppetry
2008/8/8 James Edward Grabham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > everyone is welcome and no one is put off (hopefully!) > > I know some people (geeks, and red hat users) who don't like ubuntu, > because of the community, and general opinion of Ubuntu, but that's > another issue all together. :S > > James (ma

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-08 Thread James Edward Grabham
everyone is welcome and no one is put off (hopefully!) I know some people (geeks, and red hat users) who don't like ubuntu, because of the community, and general opinion of Ubuntu, but that's another issue all together. :S James (male, Ubuntu user for just over 2 years, and 16 BTW) -- ubunt

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-07 Thread alan c
London School of Puppetry wrote: > In a conversation recently someone said to me that Ubuntu is only for > techies.and blokes at that- and young blokes at that! > Out of interest, as a middle-aged woman- I rarely see any other female names > on the forum- but I really like Ubuntu but could not

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-07 Thread Gordon Allott
London School of Puppetry wrote: In a conversation recently someone said to me that Ubuntu is only for techies.and blokes at that- and young blokes at that! We get all shapes and sizes in the ubuntu community, from the 13 year old to the 70 year old we have them all. And i think its the fa

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-07 Thread Lucy
On 07/08/2008, Michael Holloway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think, (and without starting WW3 here) that the statistics are linked > to a whole lot more. Women have always been welcome to join in these > communities. (or at least for a long time ?? don't know how it was in > the 80s). But: Th

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-07 Thread Michael Holloway
> I've missed loads, I didn't realise there were so many. > I know, i was just looking too - there really are loads! > > communities are often "boys-clubs", they are not limited to boys > only. > Unfortunately, the statistics disagree with you. For what ever reason > the FOSS community is almost

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-07 Thread Mac
London School of Puppetry wrote: > In a conversation recently someone said to me that Ubuntu is only for > techies.and blokes at that- and young blokes at that! > Out of interest, as a middle-aged woman- I rarely see any other female names > on the forum- but I really like Ubuntu but could not

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-07 Thread Dianne Reuby
I'm middle-aged and female - someone has to keep these youngsters in order! :) But there is a women's group on the forum, which I don't read much - I can't help feeling that gender-specific groups are a bit discriminatory. Unless the object is to show that women *are* using Ubuntu and encouraging

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-07 Thread Lucy
On 07/08/2008, Stephen O'Neill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My girlfriend is interested in gaming, but cares not for IT and > operating systems etc. She came to a LUG meeting with us once but only > because we were watching a video and it was in a pub that served good beer. My boyfriend is inte

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-07 Thread Lucy
On 07/08/2008, Michael Holloway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know of many "aimed at/for/by women" communities, but a few of > the KUbuntu contributors and Planet-ubuntu members are part of the KDE > Women team. http://women.kde.org/ They might have some interesting info > on this topic

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-07 Thread Stephen O'Neill
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lucy wrote: > The people I know who use Linux and go to LUG meetings are anything > from 16-70 (at a guess) year old males, with a few women in between. > So there's certainly a large spread, but from my experience people > tend to get involved at coll

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-07 Thread Lucy
On 07/08/2008, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In a conversation recently someone said to me that Ubuntu is only for > techies.and blokes at that- and young blokes at that! > Out of interest, as a middle-aged woman- I rarely see any other female names > on the forum- but

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-07 Thread Michael Holloway
And apparently there is also http://ubuntu-women.org/ On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 10:08 +0100, London School of Puppetry wrote: > In a conversation recently someone said to me that Ubuntu is only for > techies.and blokes at that- and young blokes at that! > Out of interest, as a middle-aged woman-

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-07 Thread Michael Holloway
Unfortunately... i think that conversation was partly accurate, though the word "ONLY" is a bit strong. Ubuntu was pretty much created to break that tradition, and to some extent it is slowly working (spreading to the not so young, not so male population). I don't know of many "aimed at/for/by wom

[ubuntu-uk] Age and gender

2008-08-07 Thread London School of Puppetry
In a conversation recently someone said to me that Ubuntu is only for techies.and blokes at that- and young blokes at that! Out of interest, as a middle-aged woman- I rarely see any other female names on the forum- but I really like Ubuntu but could not do without the help from the Forum -what