Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-19 Thread Colin Law
On 18 August 2010 23:19, Sean Miller wrote: > On 18 August 2010 18:11, Colin Law wrote: >> I did not say that it was necessarily a generally accepted definition, >> merely that by that definition GIMP is recursive and therefore my >> original statement that 'it depends on the definition' is true.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread John Matthews
On 18/08/10 23:19, Sean Miller wrote: > On 18 August 2010 18:11, Colin Law wrote: > >> > I did not say that it was necessarily a generally accepted definition, >> > merely that by that definition GIMP is recursive and therefore my >> > original statement that 'it depends on the definition'

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Sean Miller
On 18 August 2010 18:11, Colin Law wrote: > I did not say that it was necessarily a generally accepted definition, > merely that by that definition GIMP is recursive and therefore my > original statement that 'it depends on the definition' is true. > Having said that I believe I have seen that def

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread John Matthews
On 18/08/10 22:07, David King wrote: > With a name like that, how long before the media call it the NUTTY Narwhal? > > Or the NUTTY KNOW-ALL? > > > Worse name ever for an Ubuntu release. > > Calling any product Natty is a recipe for disaster. > > > They could have chosen something more positive, su

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread David King
With a name like that, how long before the media call it the NUTTY Narwhal? Or the NUTTY KNOW-ALL? Worse name ever for an Ubuntu release. Calling any product Natty is a recipe for disaster. They could have chosen something more positive, such as Nimble Nightingale. David King Jonathon Fe

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Colin Law
On 18 August 2010 13:58, Sean Miller wrote: > On 18 August 2010 13:09, Colin Law wrote: >> GIMP is recursive by the definition  'An Acronym is defined as >> recursive if it refers to itself in the expression for which it >> stands, or if any of the initials stands for a recursive acronym.' >> (Ex

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Jonathon Fernyhough
On 18 August 2010 17:24, Liam Proven wrote: > On 18 August 2010 16:46, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: >> On 18 August 2010 16:16, Liam Proven wrote: >>> >>> A small newt. I thought everyone knew that. >>> >> >> Nope. Not everyone knows obscure words. Just in the same way I don't >> *expect* you to k

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Liam Proven
On 18 August 2010 16:46, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: > On 18 August 2010 16:16, Liam Proven wrote: >> >> A small newt. I thought everyone knew that. >> > > Nope. Not everyone knows obscure words. Just in the same way I don't > *expect* you to know what pedagogy is. I do, thanks. Indeed I suspect,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Liam Proven
On 18 August 2010 16:57, Alan Bell wrote: > never come across /s myself before. I guessed it might mean sarcasm from > the context, I would normally use when talking to > Americans or people not used to humour. Nor me. Of course, I've only been using email and actively engaging in online fora an

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Matthew Bassett
Also the dangers of trying to reply via a mobile phone that does not do proper quoting: On 18 August 2010 16:55, Matthew Bassett wrote: > The dangers of using a US based dictionary / thesaurus on a UK based list: > >> From WordNet (r) 2.0 : >> >>   feisty >>        adj 1: showing courage; "the ch

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Alan Bell
On 18/08/10 16:46, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: > OK, I apologise. I thought I'd try to post to the discussion list. > Little did I realise that there was a strict code of conduct. There is, it is here http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct you were totally within it, its cool. > I'll > unsubscribe

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Matthew Bassett
The dangers of using a US based dictionary / thesaurus on a UK based list: > From WordNet (r) 2.0 : > > feisty >adj 1: showing courage; "the champion is faced with a feisty > challenger" [syn: plucky, spunky] Imbued with involuntary night time emissions?eference in popula

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Jonathon Fernyhough
On 18 August 2010 16:22, Alan Pope wrote: > On 18 August 2010 16:15, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: >> Missed the giant /s tag too... I've got to start putting that in. > > Or explain the real meaning of the mail and don't rely on obscure > "tags" that readers won't notice, or understand. > > I have

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Jonathon Fernyhough
On 18 August 2010 16:16, Liam Proven wrote: > > A small newt. I thought everyone knew that. > Nope. Not everyone knows obscure words. Just in the same way I don't *expect* you to know what pedagogy is. > By the way, "an eft" became "an ewt" during one of English's many > upheavals, then "an ewt"

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Liam Proven
On 18 August 2010 16:23, Grant Sewell wrote: > On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:16:57 +0100 > Liam Proven wrote: > >> > Edgy Eft. Edgy, damned right it was. WTF is an Eft? >> >> A small newt. I thought everyone knew that. >> >> By the way, "an eft" became "an ewt" during one of English's many >> upheavals,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Grant Sewell
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:16:57 +0100 Liam Proven wrote: > > Edgy Eft. Edgy, damned right it was. WTF is an Eft? > > A small newt. I thought everyone knew that. > > By the way, "an eft" became "an ewt" during one of English's many > upheavals, then "an ewt" became a "a newt", in a reversal of the w

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Alan Pope
On 18 August 2010 16:15, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: > Missed the giant /s tag too... I've got to start putting that in. Or explain the real meaning of the mail and don't rely on obscure "tags" that readers won't notice, or understand. I have no clue what "/s" means. Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Liam Proven
On 17 August 2010 21:07, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: > On 17 August 2010 19:44, Laura Czajkowski wrote: >> Aloha, >> >> Thought folks might be interested to know that 11.04 will be the Natty >> Narwhal http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/478 >> >> Laura >> >> -- >> > > > Easy steps to make yo

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Jonathon Fernyhough
On 18 August 2010 09:57, Gordon Allott wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 21:07 +0100, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: >> Maverick Meerkat. Advert tie-in. Simples. Was any new ground broken? I >> can't really think of any, indicator was introduced in Lucid. Oh wait, >> the window button positions. That's g

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Steve Flynn
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Sean Miller wrote: > On 18 August 2010 13:09, Colin Law wrote: >> GIMP is recursive by the definition  'An Acronym is defined as >> recursive if it refers to itself in the expression for which it >> stands, or if any of the initials stands for a recursive acronym.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Sean Miller
On 18 August 2010 13:09, Colin Law wrote: > GIMP is recursive by the definition  'An Acronym is defined as > recursive if it refers to itself in the expression for which it > stands, or if any of the initials stands for a recursive acronym.' > (Excellent, a recursive definition of a recursive acro

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Colin Law
On 18 August 2010 12:44, Sean Miller wrote: > No, GIMP cannot be recursive by any definition... GIMP is recursive by the definition 'An Acronym is defined as recursive if it refers to itself in the expression for which it stands, or if any of the initials stands for a recursive acronym.' (Excell

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Sean Miller
No, GIMP cannot be recursive by any definition... GNU is recursive because the 'G' stands for "GNU". For GIMP to be recursive the 'G' would have to stand for "GIMP" which it does not... therefore it is not recursive. The fact that the 'G' stands for something that is, itself, a recursive acronym

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Colin Law
On 18 August 2010 11:35, Sean Miller wrote: > On 18 August 2010 11:33, Colin Law wrote: >> It depends on the definition of recursive I suppose.  If you fully expand it: >> GIMP -> > > No, it doesn't... recursive acronyms don't involve expanding the > components therein that might be acronyms in t

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Colin Law
On 18 August 2010 11:23, Sean Miller wrote: > On 18 August 2010 11:17, Colin Law wrote: >> The G is already recursive. > > Only in that it's GNU... GIMP is not recursive in itself... It depends on the definition of recursive I suppose. If you fully expand it: GIMP -> GNU Image Manipulation Prog

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Philip Stubbs
On 18 August 2010 10:08, Alan Pope wrote: > On 18 August 2010 09:53, Sean Miller wrote: >> There is no evidence, as far as I can see, that 9.04 and 9.10 are any >> more similar than 9.10 and 10.04, therefore the "accepted" rules >> regarding "release numbers" (ie. 1.4 1.41 1.42 1.5 1.51 1.52 deno

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Sean Miller
On 18 August 2010 11:17, Colin Law wrote: > The G is already recursive. Only in that it's GNU... GIMP is not recursive in itself... Had it stood for GIMP Image Manipulation Program then that'd be recursive... Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Colin Law
On 18 August 2010 09:55, Sean Miller wrote: > On 18 August 2010 09:52, Yorvyk wrote: >> As for names like GIMP, does Ifanview or Excel give any hint as to what the >> progam does. > > Don't diss GIMP... we all know it's the "GNU Image Manipulation > Program"... I think that actually gives a VERY

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Alan Bell
all the releases are releases, with new features and whole new versions of stuff they contain. These get maintained, security patches and other fixes get made to the releases for the support period of that release, there is no service pack or patch tuesday type process, fixes get released when read

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread John Stevenson
On 17 August 2010 19:44, Laura Czajkowski wrote: > Aloha, > > Thought folks might be interested to know that 11.04 will be the Natty > Narwhal http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/478 > > Laura > Hello Laura, Thanks for the update on the name, an interesting choice. I think it does a good j

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Sean Miller
On 18 August 2010 10:08, Alan Pope wrote: > Compare that to "6.06 LTS" I know just from that the release date > (June 2006) and as it's an LTS release it was supported until 2009 (3 > years) on the desktop and 2011 (5 years) on the server. You can't get > that information from "Dapper Drake" witho

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Alan Pope
On 18 August 2010 09:53, Sean Miller wrote: > There is no evidence, as far as I can see, that 9.04 and 9.10 are any > more similar than 9.10 and 10.04, therefore the "accepted" rules > regarding "release numbers" (ie. 1.4 1.41 1.42 1.5 1.51 1.52 denotes > major and minor releases) don't apply so 1

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Gordon Allott
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 21:07 +0100, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: > Maverick Meerkat. Advert tie-in. Simples. Was any new ground broken? I > can't really think of any, indicator was introduced in Lucid. Oh wait, > the window button positions. That's ground-breaking, obviously. Erm, maverick hasn't bee

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Sean Miller
On 18 August 2010 09:52, Yorvyk wrote: > As for names like GIMP, does Ifanview or Excel give any hint as to what the > progam does. Don't diss GIMP... we all know it's the "GNU Image Manipulation Program"... I think that actually gives a VERY large hint as to what the program does... Could prob

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Sean Miller
Personally I prefer the codenames to the "version numbers", which aren't really version numbers at all but rather the month/year the release occurred. There is no evidence, as far as I can see, that 9.04 and 9.10 are any more similar than 9.10 and 10.04, therefore the "accepted" rules regarding "r

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Yorvyk
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 09:02:19 +0100 Norman Silverstone wrote: > > > The name is only supposed to be used by developers during the > > development cycle. Once it releases it becomes 10.04, 10.10 etc. > > Assuming what you say is correct then why are the names still used in > the listed Software S

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Alan Pope
On 18 August 2010 09:02, Norman Silverstone wrote: > >> The name is only supposed to be used by developers during the >> development cycle. Once it releases it becomes 10.04, 10.10 etc. > > Assuming what you say is correct then why are the names still used in > the listed Software Sources? > That

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-18 Thread Norman Silverstone
> The name is only supposed to be used by developers during the > development cycle. Once it releases it becomes 10.04, 10.10 etc. Assuming what you say is correct then why are the names still used in the listed Software Sources? Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/m

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-17 Thread Alan Bell
On 17/08/10 22:11, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: > > I suppose it comes down to your market. Thinking about it, mobile > phones are consumer items. It's a Nokia or a Samsung, not a Symbian or > Brew or Android or Windows Mobile. Or is it? They are definitely > promoting Android phones (I probably don'

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-17 Thread Jonathon Fernyhough
On 17 August 2010 21:45, Alan Pope wrote: > We get people in #ubuntu-uk asking for help. They mostly say things like:- > > "The latest one" > "8.04" > "How do I find out?" > OK, then it works. That's great! > I actually am typing this > on a Mac and I have to make some effort to find out what ve

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-17 Thread Alan Pope
On 17 August 2010 21:43, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: > Nothing soft-sounding here either. I'm probably leaving myself open to > the whole Android dessert-based stuff, aren't I? But then, Google has > to be friendly-friendly or you wouldn't give them your data. Android > Cupcake? Cakes can't be bad.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-17 Thread Alan Pope
On 17 August 2010 21:35, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: > There was I think I was posting to a UK list. Looks like I forgot the > huge /s tag. Sorry about that. Won't happen again. (/s and a :P) > > "What version of Linux are you running?" "10.04" "Oh." We get people in #ubuntu-uk asking for help. Th

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-17 Thread Jonathon Fernyhough
On 17 August 2010 21:34, Alan Pope wrote: > On 17 August 2010 21:29, Alan Bell > wrote: >> one more thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_codenames > > > Janus > Sparta > Snowball > Chicago > O'Hare > Frosting > Detroit > Nashville > Memph

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-17 Thread Alan Bell
On 17/08/10 21:34, Alan Pope wrote: > > Janus > Sparta > Snowball > Chicago > O'Hare > Frosting > Detroit > Nashville > Memphis > Dolly > > :) > > yeah, those all suck :) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-17 Thread Jonathon Fernyhough
On 17 August 2010 21:21, Alan Pope wrote: > "We" in the Ubuntu community should be encouraging people to use the > version numbers for releases and the codenames for development > versions. However _within_ our community it's not unusual to continue > using the names because we build an affection

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-17 Thread Alan Pope
On 17 August 2010 21:29, Alan Bell wrote: > one more thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_codenames Janus Sparta Snowball Chicago O'Hare Frosting Detroit Nashville Memphis Dolly :) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/ma

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-17 Thread Paul Morgan-Roach
> Oh, if 13.04 is Raffish Roach do I get a prize? I do!! Personalised distro ;) :D -- Sent from my Nokia N900 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-17 Thread Alan Bell
one more thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X Kodiak Cheetah Puma Jaguar Panther Tiger Leopard Snow Leopard didn't seem to hurt them too much. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-17 Thread Alan Bell
On 17/08/10 21:07, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: > > Easy steps to make your product fail: > > 1) Give it a name only the developers would understand in its proper > context, e.g. GIMP. > 2) ??? > 3) Profit! > *cough* Sorry. > Maverick Meerkat. Advert tie-in. Simples. Was any new ground broken? I > c

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-17 Thread Alan Pope
On 17 August 2010 21:07, Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: > 2) Promote the product via this name (or codename). The name is only supposed to be used by developers during the development cycle. Once it releases it becomes 10.04, 10.10 etc. > 3) Wonder why the general public (general ignorant audience)

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-17 Thread Jonathon Fernyhough
On 17 August 2010 19:44, Laura Czajkowski wrote: > Aloha, > > Thought folks might be interested to know that 11.04 will be the Natty > Narwhal http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/478 > > Laura > > -- > Easy steps to make your product fail: 1) Give it a name only the developers would unders

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-17 Thread Martin Jernberg
yes fun to know the new name, saw it on Planet Ubuntu and Jono Bacons twitter before reading your email tough :p > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 19:44:14 +0100 > From: la...@lczajkowski.com > To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: [ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal > > Aloha, >

[ubuntu-uk] 11.04 Natty Narwhal

2010-08-17 Thread Laura Czajkowski
Aloha, Thought folks might be interested to know that 11.04 will be the Natty Narwhal http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/478 Laura -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/czajkowski http://www.lczajkowski.com Skype: lauraczajkowski -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/