Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 7 January 2013 14:12, Rowan Berkeley wrote: > Ha ha, I've managed it. The last message was precisely to the point. You > MUST use a USB stick, and the latest version only (12.10). I took a chance > and installed it instead of Windows, rather than alongside Windows, but it > seems to be working

[ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

Ha ha, I've managed it. The last message was precisely to the point. You MUST use a USB stick, and the latest version only (12.10). I took a chance and installed it instead of Windows, rather than alongside Windows, but it seems to be working perfectly, so far. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com ht

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 07/01/2013 11:52, Ron Rhodes wrote: I've followed this thread with interest right from the beginning as I had the same problem when I purchased my Samsung NP350V5C-AOEUK with the new Windows 8 OS last November. A large number of postings have been made, most of them ignore the problem and ma

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/13 09:26, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Whoops no, I'm sorry, this machine is still Windows 8. Win 9 will be out later this year. But anyway, reliable instructions. On 06/01/2013 10:19, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Hello again, Can anybody recommend a reliable set of online instructions for installi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/2013 20:32, Phill Whiteside wrote: The ongoing "stuff" with UEFI has the most recent update on the wiki here [1]. There are also discussions on the ubuntuforum [2] As with others, the proviso is that I haven't tried these methods, but both the wiki and forum thread seem to be well sup

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/2013 20:32, Phill Whiteside wrote: The ongoing "stuff" with UEFI has the most recent update on the wiki here [1]. There are also discussions on the ubuntuforum [2] As with others, the proviso is that I haven't tried these methods, but both the wiki and forum thread seem to be well sup

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/2013 20:15, Bill Baker wrote: So UEFI isn't held on a flashable ROM? Worrying. It may very well be in EPROM, but no ordinary user is going to void his guarantee by going in there to unearth it. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/13 09:38, Rowan Berkeley wrote: I am still wrestling with it, actually, having acquired this machine only yesterday. I wasn't aware of how Windows have made it difficult to install anything else. Commiserations. May I respectfully suggest that you can do many others around you a great

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

The ongoing "stuff" with UEFI has the most recent update on the wiki here [1]. There are also discussions on the ubuntuforum [2] As with others, the proviso is that I haven't tried these methods, but both the wiki and forum thread seem to be well supported with updates (for the Wiki) and ongoing d

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On Sun, 2013-01-06 at 19:55 +, Rowan Berkeley wrote: > > On 06/01/13 19:32, Rowan Berkeley wrote: > >> You mean, turn it into a 'naked computer', without any resident > >> operating system at all. But the BIOS firmware is designed by > >> Microsoft to prevent undesired operating system softwa

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/2013 19:46, Barry Drake wrote: On 06/01/13 19:32, Rowan Berkeley wrote: You mean, turn it into a 'naked computer', without any resident operating system at all. But the BIOS firmware is designed by Microsoft to prevent undesired operating system software from being loaded, and that wo

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/13 19:32, Rowan Berkeley wrote: You mean, turn it into a 'naked computer', without any resident operating system at all. But the BIOS firmware is designed by Microsoft to prevent undesired operating system software from being loaded, and that would still be there, in ROM. Correct. A

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/2013 19:26, Bill Baker wrote: Rowan, at this point I would - *if my machine* - see if I could boot a gparted live disk or similar & trash the disk. If you have a machine that should "play" [perhaps having backed up the w* elsewhere if really wanted and external disk available] but does

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

> I did that. And I switched off the "quick boot" option in the Windows > 8 Control Panel. too -- this is another essential which other > sufferers might miss because it isn't part of the boot options. i > think I did all the things recommended by those who say it should boot > given these settings

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/2013 18:50, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 06/01/13 09:38, Rowan Berkeley wrote: No, it won't. That's probably because your Windows 8 machine has UEFI - aka "secure boot". You need to disable secure boot before you can boot from anything other than the HDD... -- Registered Linux Us

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/13 10:47, Gareth France wrote: And I find bottom posting extremely annoying. It means each post is slightly more long winded to reply to than the last. So I just follow the example of the previous poster. Then people need to SNIP. -- Registered Linux User no 240308 GBP's altern

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/13 09:38, Rowan Berkeley wrote: No, it won't. That's probably because your Windows 8 machine has UEFI - aka "secure boot". You need to disable secure boot before you can boot from anything other than the HDD... -- Registered Linux User no 240308 GBP's alternative computing:http://gb

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/2013 17:03, Barry Drake wrote: My gut feeling is that creating partitions etc is still not going to have any effect. My understanding of UEFI is that the BIOS monitors anything that is trying to install and rejects all bootable files unless they are signed in a way that allows booting

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/13 15:15, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Yup, I think so, I mean I've been into them a dozen times and I haven't seen anything that looks as helpful as that. When I started trying to do this, I found a chat forum where someone explained just how difficult it really is, though I can't find it ag

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/2013 17:02, Barry Drake wrote: On 06/01/13 14:28, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Well, I burned it, stuck it in, and tried to boot from it at start-up, but I ended up at the same place: "unable to load because of files missing or corrupted," or something identical in essence. So I guess I'm st

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/13 14:28, Rowan Berkeley wrote: On 06/01/2013 14:59, Simon Greenwood wrote:Well, I burned it, stuck it in, and tried to boot from it at start-up, but I ended up at the same place: "unable to load because of files missing or corrupted," or something identical in essence. So I guess I'm

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/2013 14:59, Simon Greenwood wrote: Check for any additional instructions on the original link and on the Sourceforge page. This is just something I found so I have no idea how it works. Well, I burned it, stuck it in, and tried to boot from it at start-up, but I ended up at the same

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 6 January 2013 12:53, Rowan Berkeley wrote: > On 06/01/2013 14:39, Simon Greenwood wrote: > > > > On 6 January 2013 12:29, Rowan Berkeley wrote: > >> On 06/01/2013 14:12, Simon Greenwood wrote: >> I would download the ISO and you can either burn it to DVD or create >> an bootable USB stic

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/2013 14:39, Simon Greenwood wrote: On 6 January 2013 12:29, Rowan Berkeley > wrote: On 06/01/2013 14:12, Simon Greenwood wrote: I would download the ISO and you can either burn it to DVD or create an bootable USB stick if you have a +2Gb o

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 6 January 2013 12:29, Rowan Berkeley wrote: > On 06/01/2013 14:12, Simon Greenwood wrote: > > > > On 6 January 2013 12:07, Rowan Berkeley wrote: > >> Compaq CQ58 > > > Takes a mere Google to find > http://orrinfox.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-12-10-x64-running-on-CQ58-340364493 > > so it's lik

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/2013 14:12, Simon Greenwood wrote: On 6 January 2013 12:07, Rowan Berkeley > wrote: Compaq CQ58 Takes a mere Google to find http://orrinfox.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-12-10-x64-running-on-CQ58-340364493 so it's likely that 12.04 won't work a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/2013 14:12, Simon Greenwood wrote: On 6 January 2013 12:07, Rowan Berkeley > wrote: Compaq CQ58 Takes a mere Google to find http://orrinfox.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-12-10-x64-running-on-CQ58-340364493 so it's likely that 12.04 won't work a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 6 January 2013 12:07, Rowan Berkeley wrote: > Compaq CQ58 Takes a mere Google to find http://orrinfox.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-12-10-x64-running-on-CQ58-340364493 so it's likely that 12.04 won't work and you'll need this Ubuntu Secure remix or at least the components to run it. s/ -- Tw

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/2013 13:37, Simon Greenwood wrote: On 6 Jan 2013 11:32, "Rowan Berkeley" > wrote: > > On 06/01/2013 12:03, Sean Miller wrote: >> >> WUBI is fine with Windows 8 >> >> I'm running it here... >> >> Just install it from Windows. >> >> Sean >> >> > Actually

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 6 January 2013 10:33, Rowan Berkeley wrote: > Actually, I've tried that, but not with the disk; I've tried it with > what I called the 'self installer'. This is the procedure Ubuntu offer as > "the easy way" because it skips the CD stage altogether, it just downloads > directly into your file

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 6 January 2013 10:33, Rowan Berkeley wrote: > But I get exactly the same result: it seems to complete the installation > process and tells you to restart, you get a screen asking whether you want > to boot into Windows or Ubuntu, and when you try to boot into Ubuntu you > get a lengthy error

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 6 Jan 2013 11:32, "Rowan Berkeley" wrote: > > On 06/01/2013 12:03, Sean Miller wrote: >> >> WUBI is fine with Windows 8 >> >> I'm running it here... >> >> Just install it from Windows. >> >> Sean >> >> > Actually, I've tried that, but not with the disk; I've tried it with what I called the 'sel

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/13 09:53, Rowan Berkeley wrote: On 06/01/2013 11:47, Gareth France wrote: And I find bottom posting extremely annoying. It means each post is slightly more long winded to reply to than the last. So I just follow the example of the previous poster. OK, I'll clip them down to the imme

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/2013 12:03, Sean Miller wrote: WUBI is fine with Windows 8 I'm running it here... Just install it from Windows. Sean Actually, I've tried that, but not with the disk; I've tried it with what I called the 'self installer'. This is the procedure Ubuntu offer as "the easy way" becaus

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/2013 12:03, Sean Miller wrote: WUBI is fine with Windows 8 I'm running it here... Just install it from Windows. Sean How do you mean, "from Windows"? Do you mean, from inside Windows, as opposed to changing the boot order so that the machine attempts to boot from the disk instead o

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

WUBI is fine with Windows 8 I'm running it here... Just install it from Windows. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/2013 11:47, Gareth France wrote: And I find bottom posting extremely annoying. It means each post is slightly more long winded to reply to than the last. So I just follow the example of the previous poster. OK, I'll clip them down to the immediate precursor message, like this. -- ub

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/2013 11:45, Colin Law wrote: On 6 January 2013 10:42, Colin Law wrote: On 6 January 2013 09:38, Rowan Berkeley wrote: No, it won't. Please don't top post, readers will have to look down to the end of the email to find out what it is that won't what. What happens when you tell it to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/13 09:46, Rowan Berkeley wrote: On 06/01/2013 11:42, Colin Law wrote: On 6 January 2013 09:38, Rowan Berkeley wrote: No, it won't. Please don't top post, readers will have to look down to the end of the email to find out what it is that won't what. What happens when you tell it to bo

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 6 January 2013 10:42, Colin Law wrote: > On 6 January 2013 09:38, Rowan Berkeley wrote: >> No, it won't. > > Please don't top post, readers will have to look down to the end of > the email to find out what it is that won't what. > What happens when you tell it to boot off the CD? I also meant

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 06/01/2013 11:42, Colin Law wrote: On 6 January 2013 09:38, Rowan Berkeley wrote: No, it won't. Please don't top post, readers will have to look down to the end of the email to find out what it is that won't what. What happens when you tell it to boot off the CD? Colin Nor will the onlin

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

Yes, it's pretty vile. It seems to think of itself primarily as an online shopping arcade. On 06/01/2013 11:39, Gareth France wrote: You could start by formatting the drive. It won't achieve anything but I hate windows 8 so much I'd feel better for that step alone! On 06/01/13 09:38, Rowan Be

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 6 January 2013 09:38, Rowan Berkeley wrote: > No, it won't. Please don't top post, readers will have to look down to the end of the email to find out what it is that won't what. What happens when you tell it to boot off the CD? Colin > Nor will the online self-installer work. This is apparen

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

You could start by formatting the drive. It won't achieve anything but I hate windows 8 so much I'd feel better for that step alone! On 06/01/13 09:38, Rowan Berkeley wrote: No, it won't. Nor will the online self-installer work. This is apparently the case with all Windows 8 users who try to do

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

No, it won't. Nor will the online self-installer work. This is apparently the case with all Windows 8 users who try to do it. They have to do a lot of manual work to make it possible, with partitions. Since this has become a standard issue, there should be a step by step procedure for it in the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

On 6 January 2013 09:19, Rowan Berkeley wrote: > Hello again, > > Can anybody recommend a reliable set of online instructions for installing > Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9? Neither the online installer nor the > live CD will work. I found some instructions for doing it on Windows 8, > somewh

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

Whoops no, I'm sorry, this machine is still Windows 8. Win 9 will be out later this year. But anyway, reliable instructions. On 06/01/2013 10:19, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Hello again, Can anybody recommend a reliable set of online instructions for installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9? N

[ubuntu-uk] Installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9

Hello again, Can anybody recommend a reliable set of online instructions for installing Ubuntu on a machine with Windows 9? Neither the online installer nor the live CD will work. I found some instructions for doing it on Windows 8, somewhere on line, and they were pretty complex, involving m