Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker! timeline?

2011-05-18 Thread Alan Bell
Just call it Ubuntu, problem solved. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker! timeline?

2011-05-18 Thread Avi
alan c wrote: > I know that Linux is often used to denote the operating system in > addition to being the name of the kernel. I regard Linux as being the > kernel, and Stallman started GNU, what he stated was to be a free OS, > in 1983. Well, it's probably possible to argue heritage all the way

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker! timeline?

2011-05-18 Thread alan c
On 18/05/11 22:46, Avi wrote: Martin Houston wrote: It would have been nice to have little snippets like Linux's 20 year history and the fact it runs on> 95% of all super computers. The page is very biased to say the least. Not that either of those matter since we're talking about today an

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Alan Bell
On 18/05/11 21:19, Paul Sutton wrote: Ok if people have a login to launchpad they can edit the loco team page which thus far has had me doing this, huh? where? do we sign up individually or sign up as the south west loco team and have the loco team website as a holding place for people who ca

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Martin Houston
It was actually because I approved of the sheer common sense of giving people with no previous exposure to computers Linux instead of Windows that I signed up to be Race Online 2012 partner in the first place. That is why the sudden realisation that Microsoft was involved after all came as s

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Avi
Martin Houston wrote: It would have been nice to have little snippets like Linux's 20 year history and the fact it runs on > 95% of all super computers. The page is very biased to say the least. Not that either of those matter since we're talking about today and cheap computers, but Windows pr

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Paul Sutton
On 18/05/11 21:23, Alan Pope wrote: > On 18 May 2011 21:19, Paul Sutton wrote: >> do we sign up individually or sign up as the south west loco team and >> have the loco team website as a holding place for people who can help >> > > I'd wait for guidance from Alan Bell as he's the point of contact

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-18 Thread Colin Law
On 18 May 2011 08:58, Avi Greenbury wrote: > > I think I'm running unity-2d (nothing's ever told me it is, but I've no drop > shadows and the panel's a light grey and it's a bit less pretty than others > I've seen) and the middle-click-on-the-titlebar works for me. You get a choice of which to ru

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Paul Sutton
On 18/05/11 21:46, Martin Houston wrote: > I seem to have stirred up quite a bit of debate with this. > > Michael Devenish makes a good suggestion that the Race Online volunteers > need to get a bit of education with Ubuntu. It is an achievement to get > it on the menu as an option but it is clear

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Martin Houston
I seem to have stirred up quite a bit of debate with this. Michael Devenish makes a good suggestion that the Race Online volunteers need to get a bit of education with Ubuntu. It is an achievement to get it on the menu as an option but it is clear that the Microsoft spin doctors have had a han

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Alan Pope
On 18 May 2011 21:19, Paul Sutton wrote: > do we sign up individually or sign up as the south west loco team and > have the loco team website as a holding place for people who can help > I'd wait for guidance from Alan Bell as he's the point of contact for the LoCo. Probably best to go through hi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Paul Sutton
On 18/05/11 19:54, Alan Pope wrote: > On 18 May 2011 19:22, Alan Bell wrote: >> I'd like to see us being a race online partner organisation and actually >> being some of those 100,000 volunteers. http://raceonline2012.org I can't >> see why we shouldn't, what do you think? >> > > If we're organis

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Paul Sutton
On 18/05/11 19:37, Rob Beard wrote: > On 18/05/11 14:48, Matthew Daubney wrote: >> >> >> On 18 May 2011 13:05, Paul Sutton > > wrote: >> >> >> So what can we do about this, I am currently helping at a youth music >> project that has now got 4 / 5 ubuntu computers up

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Alan Pope
On 18 May 2011 19:22, Alan Bell wrote: > I'd like to see us being a race online partner organisation and actually > being some of those 100,000 volunteers. http://raceonline2012.org I can't > see why we shouldn't, what do you think? > If we're organised and disciplined, totally we can do this. Ot

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Rob Beard
On 18/05/11 19:22, Alan Bell wrote: On 18/05/11 19:02, Michael Devenish wrote: I'd like to see the 100,000 volunteers for the Race Online 2012 campaign encouraged to download and try Ubuntu so they are at least aware of it and can explain if anyone asks them. They'd also need to be told where to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking towards Unity in 2012... but concerned

2011-05-18 Thread Avi
Alex Cockell wrote: I've heard talk of having to press both mouse buttons down together why do Canonical have to confuse things? Confuse things? It's a non-essential task that people with capable hardware can use. If you can't do a middle-click, or there's some other reason that you wont,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Rob Beard
On 18/05/11 18:00, Alan Bell wrote: I would rather they just stuck a respectable amount of ram in them and put Ubuntu on them, it works just fine on low spec machines. I don't really see the point in having an OS that "works" in low memory conditions when as soon as you open Firefox and LibreOffi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Rob Beard
On 18/05/11 14:48, Matthew Daubney wrote: On 18 May 2011 13:05, Paul Sutton mailto:zl...@zleap.net>> wrote: So what can we do about this, I am currently helping at a youth music project that has now got 4 / 5 ubuntu computers up and running, I am struggling to maintain what we ha

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Local Community team reapproval

2011-05-18 Thread Paul Sutton
On 18/05/11 19:13, Alan Bell wrote: > Hi all, > > This cycle, before the release of Oneiric Ocelot, the UK team has to go > through the LoCo team reapproval process. You can read more about this > here: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval > http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/0

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Alan Bell
On 18/05/11 19:02, Michael Devenish wrote: I'd like to see the 100,000 volunteers for the Race Online 2012 campaign encouraged to download and try Ubuntu so they are at least aware of it and can explain if anyone asks them. They'd also need to be told where to go for tutorials and assistance wi

[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Local Community team reapproval

2011-05-18 Thread Alan Bell
Hi all, This cycle, before the release of Oneiric Ocelot, the UK team has to go through the LoCo team reapproval process. You can read more about this here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/01/20/ubuntu-loco-re-approval-process-explained/ h

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Michael Devenish
I'd like to see the 100,000 volunteers for the Race Online 2012 campaign encouraged to download and try Ubuntu so they are at least aware of it and can explain if anyone asks them. They'd also need to be told where to go for tutorials and assistance with Ubuntu. Regards, Michael Devenish On Wed,

[ubuntu-uk] Unity and Unity-2d - middle click top panel [was Empathy and 11.04]

2011-05-18 Thread Colin Law
On 18 May 2011 16:40, Liam Proven wrote: > .. > I'm a bit mystified. You replied twice with this comment - one thus, > directly to me, with a carefully-trimmed quote: So am I, and becoming more so, sadly. See below. > > [[ > On 17 May 2011 17:33, Alan Pope wrote: >> On 17 May 2011 17:29, Liam

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Alan Bell
I would rather they just stuck a respectable amount of ram in them and put Ubuntu on them, it works just fine on low spec machines. I don't really see the point in having an OS that "works" in low memory conditions when as soon as you open Firefox and LibreOffice it is going to be painful anywa

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking towards Unity in 2012... but concerned

2011-05-18 Thread Grant Sewell
On Wed, 18 May 2011 17:41:47 +0100 Alex Cockell wrote: > Umm - there's this talk about "middle-clicking". What is this > "middle-clicking" you talk about? > > I use Saitek notebook mice... I see two buttons, and a mousewheel. On > my Ideapad, I see two buttons under the trackpad. > > I underst

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking towards Unity in 2012... but concerned

2011-05-18 Thread Dave Morley
On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 17:41 +0100, Alex Cockell wrote: > Umm - there's this talk about "middle-clicking". What is this > "middle-clicking" you talk about? > > I use Saitek notebook mice... I see two buttons, and a mousewheel. On > my Ideapad, I see two buttons under the trackpad. > > I understa

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking towards Unity in 2012... but concerned

2011-05-18 Thread (:techitone:)
You can get a mouse with 3 buttons too. Here's an example, http://www.djx.com.au/blog/2009/01/03/mouse-upgrade/ Cheers, T -- On 18 May 2011 17:41, Alex Cockell wrote: > Umm - there's this talk about "middle-clicking". What is this > "middle-clicking" you talk about? > > I use Saitek notebook

[ubuntu-uk] Looking towards Unity in 2012... but concerned

2011-05-18 Thread Alex Cockell
Umm - there's this talk about "middle-clicking". What is this "middle-clicking" you talk about? I use Saitek notebook mice... I see two buttons, and a mousewheel. On my Ideapad, I see two buttons under the trackpad. I understand left-clicking.. I understand right-clicking. Granted, I use a C

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Alan Bell
On 18/05/11 13:05, Paul Sutton wrote: oh and people have full time jobs, so we need to do this when we have time and between other activities.# yeah, but some people have a full time job for which more Free Software in the UK would be a strategic benefit. I really want more people to be working

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-18 Thread Liam Proven
On 18 May 2011 16:25, Colin Law wrote: > On 18 May 2011 13:39, Liam Proven wrote: >> On 18 May 2011 08:19, Colin Law wrote: >>> On 17 May 2011 23:15, Liam Proven wrote: On 17 May 2011 21:07, Colin Law wrote: > On 17 May 2011 17:33, Alan Pope wrote: >> On 17 May 2011 17:29, Liam P

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-18 Thread Colin Law
On 18 May 2011 13:39, Liam Proven wrote: > On 18 May 2011 08:19, Colin Law wrote: >> On 17 May 2011 23:15, Liam Proven wrote: >>> On 17 May 2011 21:07, Colin Law wrote: On 17 May 2011 17:33, Alan Pope wrote: > On 17 May 2011 17:29, Liam Proven wrote: >> Did you know that you can

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Alan, for such low spec machines it *may* be worth trying the Lubuntu suite on them. Lubuntu gets full adoption at 11.10 by Canonical, the 11.04 is happily running now. For really old kit (pre i686) lubuntu are going to continue to backport to the 10.04 stable beta the lxde and pcmanfm etc. for

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Matthew Daubney
On 18 May 2011 13:05, Paul Sutton wrote: > > So what can we do about this, I am currently helping at a youth music > project that has now got 4 / 5 ubuntu computers up and running, I am > struggling to maintain what we have on zero budget > > What help do you need and where? > if we as a commu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Avi Greenbury
Martin Houston wrote: Sorry for the long post but this has just made my blood boil and I think we should all be making the maximum fuss we can about this. To whom, and why? To the vendor who has gone out on a limb and chosen to ship a flavour of Linux? To the Government who have allowed such

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Alan Bell
On 18/05/11 08:27, Alan Bell wrote: On 17/05/11 23:30, Martin Houston wrote: Sorry for the long post but this has just made my blood boil and I think we should all be making the maximum fuss we can about this. I think I will give them a call and see if we can work with them constructively to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-18 Thread Liam Proven
On 18 May 2011 08:19, Colin Law wrote: > On 17 May 2011 23:15, Liam Proven wrote: >> On 17 May 2011 21:07, Colin Law wrote: >>> On 17 May 2011 17:33, Alan Pope wrote: On 17 May 2011 17:29, Liam Proven wrote: > Did you know that you can middle-click on the title bar to send a > win

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Paul Sutton
On 17/05/11 23:30, Martin Houston wrote: > The under £100 cheap PCs for the disadvantaged go on sale today. > > See > http://www.ecycleonline.co.uk/choose-your-computer---from-9200-8-c.asp > > > Ubuntu 10.10 is there as a so

Re: [ubuntu-uk] My new Ubuntu-flavoured ThinkPad is computing heaven

2011-05-18 Thread John Stevenson
On 18 May 2011 09:16, Simon Greenwood wrote: > > > On 18 May 2011 08:55, alan c wrote: > >> On 17/05/11 23:25, Tony Scott wrote: >> >>> Review of Ubuntu on ThinkPad X220 >>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/may/17/computing-opensource >>> >> >> Nice review and nice publication. A bit di

Re: [ubuntu-uk] My new Ubuntu-flavoured ThinkPad is computing heaven

2011-05-18 Thread Simon Greenwood
On 18 May 2011 08:55, alan c wrote: > On 17/05/11 23:25, Tony Scott wrote: > >> Review of Ubuntu on ThinkPad X220 >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/may/17/computing-opensource >> > > Nice review and nice publication. A bit difficult to see where he purchased > it though? It sounds a bi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-18 Thread Avi Greenbury
Colin Law wrote: Have you tried Unity-2D (not the regular Unity)? It is certainly not working for me whereas it does on the regular Unity. I can run the regular Unity if I only use my laptop screen but when I add an external one the virtual display is too large for the graphics chip to run 3D s

Re: [ubuntu-uk] My new Ubuntu-flavoured ThinkPad is computing heaven

2011-05-18 Thread alan c
On 17/05/11 23:25, Tony Scott wrote: Review of Ubuntu on ThinkPad X220 http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/may/17/computing-opensource Nice review and nice publication. A bit difficult to see where he purchased it though? It sounds a bit like it came with Windows and he installed Ubuntu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread alan c
On 18/05/11 08:27, Alan Bell wrote: On 17/05/11 23:30, Martin Houston wrote: Sorry for the long post but this has just made my blood boil and I think we should all be making the maximum fuss we can about this. I think I will give them a call and see if we can work with them constructively to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Alan Bell
On 17/05/11 23:30, Martin Houston wrote: Sorry for the long post but this has just made my blood boil and I think we should all be making the maximum fuss we can about this. I think I will give them a call and see if we can work with them constructively to provide better information about the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Race Online 2012 PCs shocker!

2011-05-18 Thread Alan Bell
yeah, I don't think Windows and Office is worth £3 either. Anyhow, to get the Windows version you need to qualify: To qualify for this offer you must be receiving financial help from the government in one or more of the following ways. (If requested, I can provide evidence of this.) * Hous

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Empathy and 11.04

2011-05-18 Thread Colin Law
On 17 May 2011 23:15, Liam Proven wrote: > On 17 May 2011 21:07, Colin Law wrote: >> On 17 May 2011 17:33, Alan Pope wrote: >>> On 17 May 2011 17:29, Liam Proven wrote: Did you know that you can middle-click on the title bar to send a window to the back of the stack? It's very handy.