Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets

2007-06-20 Thread Matthew Larsen
Hi all I am currently out of the country until next week so I wont be able to contribute a lot during this period regards On 19/06/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OK, I'll byte... :oP > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:57:02 +0100, norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > < big snip >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Marketing efforts and leaflets

2007-06-20 Thread Matthew Larsen
Hey chris I agree - a lot of what i read on the interweb about trying to get people to switch are people who patronise the user a lot. Things like flashy interfaces etc is why they stick with windows. This needs to change regards On 20/06/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Folks, >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-20 Thread Alan Pope
Hi Tony, On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 22:41 +0100, Tony Travis wrote: > Have you ever upgraded Windows? > Or MacOS? > > Believe me, Debian/Ubuntu is much, much easier to upgrade! A very good point. I think often we take for granted some of the features of Linux (specifically Ubuntu) that are just light

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-20 Thread Tony Travis
alan c wrote: > norman wrote: >> I believe that the very laudable efforts in promoting the use of Ubuntu >> need to be tempered with an element of caution. As far as I can tell, >> the server application is well covered and taken care of and my concern >> is with the desktop user, of which I am one

[ubuntu-uk] Marketing efforts and leaflets

2007-06-20 Thread Chris Rowson
Hi Folks, This message has been posted to Ubuntu-UK & Ubuntu Marketing because I'm hoping that there are people subscribed to both lists with thoughts on this subject. With Software Freedom Day around the corner (September 15th) I've been pondering upon the subject of how to reel in the punters.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Buying from and supporting Linux Hardware Suppliers

2007-06-20 Thread alan c
Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm about to start a job in the real-world (after having been forced > to use Windows, I get to sell, support and consult on Linux from the > 2nd July!) and one of the things I will need as part of my job is a > solid supplier of hardware that I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-20 Thread alan c
norman wrote: > I believe that the very laudable efforts in promoting the use of Ubuntu > need to be tempered with an element of caution. As far as I can tell, > the server application is well covered and taken care of and my concern > is with the desktop user, of which I am one. > > Presumably,

[ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-20 Thread norman
I believe that the very laudable efforts in promoting the use of Ubuntu need to be tempered with an element of caution. As far as I can tell, the server application is well covered and taken care of and my concern is with the desktop user, of which I am one. Presumably, one of the 'selling' point

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread Ian Pascoe
Hi Folks As this has split into two threads, I'm gonna confuse everyone and reply to both in one. Firefox - hasn't there just been a security breach with FF's extensions whereby some of them don't conform to using SSL to update so can be duped to update from a interposing server? Running FF secu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Audio Apps

2007-06-20 Thread Ian Pascoe
Thanks folks I'll do some reading up on this. E -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of luxxius Sent: 20 June 2007 18:00 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Audio Apps Mark Harrison wrote: > Alan Pope wrote: >> Audacity. > +1 for Au

Re: [ubuntu-uk] getting epiphany with apt

2007-06-20 Thread Alec Wright
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 20:18 +0100, michaelweaver wrote: > I do not seem to be having much luck with text web browsers for one > reason or another because of how speech works. > Somone has apparently used Epiphany with Orca and I tried to download it > only it did not show up under the Internet menu

[ubuntu-uk] getting epiphany with apt

2007-06-20 Thread michaelweaver
I do not seem to be having much luck with text web browsers for one reason or another because of how speech works. Somone has apparently used Epiphany with Orca and I tried to download it only it did not show up under the Internet menu in Feisty or any of the menus I tried and doing a search on my

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Buying from and supporting Linux Hardware Suppliers

2007-06-20 Thread Dianne Reuby
http://efficientpc.co.uk/ supply Linux pre-installed - I came across their website, I don't know anything at all about them. Dianne Reuby -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets

2007-06-20 Thread matthew
OK, I'll byte... :oP On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:57:02 +0100, norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > < big snip > > > As no one seems inclined to react to my comments I will respond to > myself. As one of the longest users of Ubuntu in this group I am curious > to know why there is all this activity in

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Buying from and supporting Linux Hardware Suppliers

2007-06-20 Thread Ted
Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm about to start a job in the real-world (after having been forced > to use Windows, I get to sell, support and consult on Linux from the > 2nd July!) and one of the things I will need as part of my job is a > solid supplier of hardware that I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Buying from and supporting Linux Hardware Suppliers

2007-06-20 Thread Kirrus
- "Chris Rowson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As dell are refusing to sell Linux-based computers outside of the > US > > (even the redhat/SLED servers seem to only be sold over there), can > > someone supply me with contact details (a website will do nicely!) > of > > a company that are prefe

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Booting Up

2007-06-20 Thread Keith Bowerman
On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 22:41 +, James Dalley wrote: > Do you have an ADSL modem or a router?? > I have had a similar problem if the former is the case. > > James (sorry about HM) James, Sorry for delay in replying, I've been away. Yes, I do have a wireless router, but I've had it for a long

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Audio Apps

2007-06-20 Thread luxxius
Mark Harrison wrote: > Alan Pope wrote: >> Audacity. > +1 for Audacity Yes, I rate Audacity, too. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread luxxius
alan c wrote: > With Ubuntu in mind I would be grateful for more information about the > possible vulnerability - or not - of the sort of malware (trojan) > which is likely to be used in the sort of current, and on a new scale, > attack via infected websites as described in the Guardian: > > ht

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Buying from and supporting Linux Hardware Suppliers

2007-06-20 Thread norman
> I'm about to start a job in the real-world (after having been forced > to use Windows, I get to sell, support and consult on Linux from the > 2nd July!) and one of the things I will need as part of my job is a > solid supplier of hardware that I know will run linux and run it well. > > As

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread Robert McWilliam
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:08:49 +0100 alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Interesting. Any idea if other apps have a trusted list also, and > where such list/s may be located (and firefox's)? For firefox's trusted list look in the security tab of the preferences dialogue, there is a checkbox there

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread alan c
Scrase, Eddie wrote: >> My initial reaction is of course that linux doe snot install anything >> without a password, but then I remembered that in my user activities I >> was able to install a firefox extension without a password (I think), >> and in principle I can install into my user area wi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell & Ubuntu - Again

2007-06-20 Thread alan c
Chris Rowson wrote: > Time to start petitioning Dell again? > > http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/20/1215213 extract: "these Dell computers are designed for personal use only, as long as you use it for personal use, you can purchase one." So I lied and said I would Next

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Buying from and supporting Linux Hardware Suppliers

2007-06-20 Thread Chris Rowson
> As dell are refusing to sell Linux-based computers outside of the US > (even the redhat/SLED servers seem to only be sold over there), can > someone supply me with contact details (a website will do nicely!) of > a company that are preferably based in the UK and supply > servers/desktops that wil

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Buying from and supporting Linux Hardware Suppliers

2007-06-20 Thread Anders Jacobsen
Try http://efficientpc.co.uk/ On 6/20/07, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: can someone supply me with contact details (a website will do nicely!) of a company that are preferably based in the UK and supply servers/desktops that will run linux or come pre-installed with Linux

[ubuntu-uk] Buying from and supporting Linux Hardware Suppliers

2007-06-20 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Hi all, I'm about to start a job in the real-world (after having been forced to use Windows, I get to sell, support and consult on Linux from the 2nd July!) and one of the things I will need as part of my job is a solid supplier of hardware that I know will run linux and run it well. As del

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Planet.....

2007-06-20 Thread Mark Harrison
Alan Pope wrote: > I have reverted it back as I assumed that's what you wanted to do. If > you would like to change the URL in the future then use the usual method > of editing the wiki page so that the non-automated robots. > > Alan, I'm happy with the change you made :-) I'm just a little su

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Planet.....

2007-06-20 Thread Alan Pope
Hi Mark, On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 15:25 +0100, Mark Harrison wrote: > Please could whoever decided to edit the Planet feed from my blog > contact me? > This is one way of doing it. :) Alternatively (for future reference) visiting:- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam then clicking on "website" would h

[ubuntu-uk] Dell & Ubuntu - Again

2007-06-20 Thread Chris Rowson
Time to start petitioning Dell again? http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/20/1215213 Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/

[ubuntu-uk] Planet.....

2007-06-20 Thread Mark Harrison
Please could whoever decided to edit the Planet feed from my blog contact me? Looking at what you've done, it was probably the right move, but to unilaterally decide to hack MY feed without telling, let alone asking, seems a bit against what I thought that the community stood for. *"When you d

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Quoting Lucy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 20/06/07, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I was under the impression that if you run an app >> in a chroot jail, the libraries are available to it? >> > I believe that you need to provide a copy of any libraries under the > chroot jail

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread Lucy
On 20/06/07, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was under the impression that if you run an app > in a chroot jail, the libraries are available to it? > I believe that you need to provide a copy of any libraries under the chroot jail too (a quick Google seems to back this up).

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Quoting Lucy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 20/06/07, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > In principle though yes, it would be nice if each app that faces an >> > untrusted network was in their own separate user space or jail. >> >> OK then, why not something like this: >> >> 1) A

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread Lucy
On 20/06/07, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In principle though yes, it would be nice if each app that faces an > > untrusted network was in their own separate user space or jail. > > OK then, why not something like this: > > 1) App is installed into it's own Jail > 2) A l

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread Scrase, Eddie
> My initial reaction is of course that linux doe snot install anything > without a password, but then I remembered that in my user activities I > was able to install a firefox extension without a password (I think), > and in principle I can install into my user area with no password > general

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread Lee Tambiah
Quoting alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: So all in all, viruses[0] and their ilk will come to linux as it becomes more and more popular, however there will alwys be the fact that Linux is inherently more secure than some of the alternatives out there to give you a warm, fuzzy feeling... :o) I'm not

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Quoting Robert McWilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:48:11 +0100 > Matthew Macdonald-Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yeah, it will. There's no need to run xhost -local before running >> gksudo, this will lcok the system out (as demonstrated effectively >> above!) > > I was

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Quoting Kris Marsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 6/20/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> This topic makes me think though. >> >> Wouldn't isolating all net enabled applications in this manner pretty >> much secure linux? Why aren't distributions running like this as >> standard? >> >> Chri

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread Robert McWilliam
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:48:11 +0100 Matthew Macdonald-Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, it will. There's no need to run xhost -local before running > gksudo, this will lcok the system out (as demonstrated effectively > above!) I was running -local: to remove the +local: I did earlier.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread Kris Marsh
On 6/20/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This topic makes me think though. > > Wouldn't isolating all net enabled applications in this manner pretty > much secure linux? Why aren't distributions running like this as > standard? > > Chris > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://li

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread Chris Rowson
This topic makes me think though. Wouldn't isolating all net enabled applications in this manner pretty much secure linux? Why aren't distributions running like this as standard? Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKT

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Quoting Robert McWilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:24:55 +0100 > Matthew Macdonald-Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Quoting Robert McWilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >xhost +local: >> >> In theory, you shouldn't need to do even this, the gksudo command >> should work wi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Audio Apps

2007-06-20 Thread Mark Harrison
Alan Pope wrote: > Hi Ian, > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 09:40:49PM +0100, Ian Pascoe wrote: > >> And although not a necessity, should be available on both Ubuntu and Windows >> platforms >> >> > > Audacity. > > Cheers, > Al. > > +1 for Audacity -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://li

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread Robert McWilliam
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:24:55 +0100 Matthew Macdonald-Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting Robert McWilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > xhost +local: > > In theory, you shouldn't need to do even this, the gksudo command > should work without needing to open up X to local connections. Do

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Quoting Robert McWilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:48:58 +0100 > alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Would there be a procedure to use browser/s with a different 'user' >> password, with much lower privileges than the normal user, so that >> when browsing the 'user-low' being

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread Robert McWilliam
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:48:58 +0100 alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would there be a procedure to use browser/s with a different 'user' > password, with much lower privileges than the normal user, so that > when browsing the 'user-low' being used is not allowed to download > anything knowingly o

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Quoting alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Thanks, much appreciated. > > Would there be a procedure to use browser/s with a different 'user' > password, with much lower privileges than the normal user, so that > when browsing the 'user-low' being used is not allowed to download > anything knowingly or n

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread alan c
Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: > Alan, > > Quoting alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> With Ubuntu in mind I would be grateful for more information >> about the possible vulnerability - or not - of the sort of >> malware (trojan) which is likely to be used in the sort of >> current, and on a new s

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Alan, Quoting alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > With Ubuntu in mind I would be grateful for more information about the > possible vulnerability - or not - of the sort of malware (trojan) > which is likely to be used in the sort of current, and on a new scale, > attack via infected websites as describ

[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-20 Thread alan c
With Ubuntu in mind I would be grateful for more information about the possible vulnerability - or not - of the sort of malware (trojan) which is likely to be used in the sort of current, and on a new scale, attack via infected websites as described in the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/in