Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-20 Thread Mitchell Reese
Amen brother. Curious Mail - Sent via Linux Chris Billington wrote: >> If you are saying you can only buy them here.. why couldn't you buy them >from the web >I might- but then I'm an enthusiast and perhaps willing to buy an unseen >product plus pay international shipping and 20% VAT, and ris

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-20 Thread Chris Billington
ting out now about China's OEM here for me. > > -- > *From:* Chris Billington > *To:* alan.p...@canonical.com; ubuntu-tablet < > ubuntu-tablet@lists.launchpad.net> > *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2012 1:04:03 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Ubu

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-20 Thread Sandy Martin
alan.p...@canonical.com; ubuntu-tablet Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:04:03 PM Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet Hi Alan, I quite agree there are multiple aspects to this- certainly the ui needs test and development and we need touch enabled applications working uniformly. But without

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-20 Thread Chris Billington
Hi Alan, I quite agree there are multiple aspects to this- certainly the ui needs test and development and we need touch enabled applications working uniformly. But without a hardware platform with accelerated graphics, sound and power management we are no further at getting the great work that's b

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-20 Thread Alan Pope
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Chris, On 20/02/12 12:10, Chris Billington wrote: > If we continue to chase the rest of the market by developing for > proprietary platforms that are 'owned' by a third party, we will > be consigned to playing catch-up forever, reverse-engineering

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-20 Thread Chris Billington
> If you are saying you can only buy them here.. why couldn't you buy them from the web I might- but then I'm an enthusiast and perhaps willing to buy an unseen product plus pay international shipping and 20% VAT, and risk having to pay all over again if the hardware fails. Joe Average wouldn't do

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-20 Thread brian mullan
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Chris Billington < billington.ch...@gmail.com> wrote: > The tablet PCs or special purpose devices that have shipped in significant > numbers are those where the manufacturer controls the hardware design as > well as the software. For example: iPad, Nook, Kindle Col

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-20 Thread Chris Billington
The tablet PCs or special purpose devices that have shipped in significant numbers are those where the manufacturer controls the hardware design as well as the software. For example: iPad, Nook, Kindle Color. Of those, two are USA-only. There are many Android tablets, but those (mostly) conform to

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-19 Thread brian mullan
- > *From:* Mitchell Reese > *To:* brian mullan > *Cc:* ubuntu-tablet@lists.launchpad.net > *Sent:* Saturday, February 18, 2012 4:11:31 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet > > I love this concept... > > Mitchell > > Curious Mai

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-18 Thread Sandy Martin
-tablet] Ubuntu tablet I love this concept... Mitchell Curious Mail - Sent via Linux brian mullan wrote: Why not target a favorite distro to a couple of the most popular existing tablets Low-priced media tablets showed tremendous sales growth in 2011, with an estimated 7.5 million units

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-18 Thread Mitchell Reese
I love this concept... Mitchell Curious Mail - Sent via Linux brian mullan wrote: >Why not target a favorite distro to a couple of the most popular existing >tablets > >Low-priced media tablets showed tremendous sales growth in 2011, with an >estimated 7.5 million units combined from *Amazon

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-18 Thread brian mullan
Why not target a favorite distro to a couple of the most popular existing tablets Low-priced media tablets showed tremendous sales growth in 2011, with an estimated 7.5 million units combined from *Amazon and Barnes & Noble. * iHS found that tablets from those two companies accounted for 11 percen

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-16 Thread Matt Richardson
?From: brian mullan mailto:bmullan.m...@gmail.com>> To: Ian Santopietro mailto:isan...@gmail.com>> Cc: ubuntu-tablet@lists.launchpad.net <mailto:ubu

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-14 Thread Alex Lancey
stuff onto linux. > > > > > > > > > >

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-14 Thread Matt Richardson
ists.launchpad.net <mailto:ubuntu-tablet@lists.launchpad.net> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 2:27:58 PM Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet Is there data on tablet adoption rates that could

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-14 Thread Chris
t >>>>> need that cross between a casual tablet like and Android or Ipad. download >>>>> apps and that almost touch pad OS like Ubuntu with u-touch. IMO that >>>>> sells. >>>>> we need to get app companies to port their stuff onto linux. >>>

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-14 Thread Николай Шатохин
need to get app companies to port their stuff onto linux. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> �From: brian mullan >>>> To: Ian Santopietro >>>> Cc: ubuntu-tablet@lists.launchpad.net >>

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-13 Thread Mitchell Reese
;>>> we need to get app companies to port their stuff onto linux. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: brian mullan >>>> To: Ian Santopietro >>>> Cc: ubuntu-tablet@lists.launchpad.net

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-13 Thread Chris
;>> >>> From: brian mullan >>> To: Ian Santopietro >>> Cc: ubuntu-tablet@lists.launchpad.net >>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 2:27:58 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet >>> >>> Is the

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-12 Thread Николай Шатохин
buntu-tablet@lists.launchpad.net >> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 2:27:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet >> >> Is there data on tablet adoption rates that could show which to focus on >> and which have a common cpu/gpu etc. >> >> I t

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-11 Thread Nicholas Shatokhin
@lists.launchpad.net Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 2:27:58 PM Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet Is there data on tablet adoption rates that could show which to focus on and which have a common cpu/gpu etc. I think the important focus is that its about "time to market".Who can get some

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-11 Thread Markus Burrer
Am 10.02.2012 17:01, schrieb Randall Ross: I agree. Let's force the decision. Which tablet will it be? We need to start somewhere even if that somewhere is not optimal. And we need to do this in our lifetime ;) I cheated. I have bought an Viewsonic Viewpad 10 (not s) with an Atom N455 ;). bu

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-10 Thread Sandy Martin
. From: brian mullan To: Ian Santopietro Cc: ubuntu-tablet@lists.launchpad.net Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 2:27:58 PM Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet Is there data on tablet adoption rates that could show which to focus on and which have a common  cpu/gpu

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-10 Thread brian mullan
Is there data on tablet adoption rates that could show which to focus on and which have a common cpu/gpu etc. I think the important focus is that its about "time to market".Who can get something that is BOTH user friendly and inexpensive etc. iPad has #1 but apple is a bit of a closed univer

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-10 Thread Ian Santopietro
What in particular makes the new Prime less than ideal? It's got a load of power, which is also nice for Ubuntu, and to my knowledge the only thing software-wise is that Ubuntu works on Tegra 2 now. It wasn't always the case, and Tegra 3 is becoming more and more ubiquitous. If we went for a strict

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-10 Thread Randall Ross
Thanks Alan. Now we can all get hacking! ;) -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tablet Post to : ubuntu-tablet@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tablet More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-10 Thread Alan Pope
On 10/02/12 16:01, Randall Ross wrote: Which tablet will it be? We need to start somewhere even if that somewhere is not optimal. And we need to do this in our lifetime ;) Canonical... your turn. Uhm https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tablet/msg00035.html "I'd recommend looking at the ASUS

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-10 Thread Randall Ross
I agree. Let's force the decision. Which tablet will it be? We need to start somewhere even if that somewhere is not optimal. And we need to do this in our lifetime ;) Canonical... your turn. Cheers, Randall. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tablet Post to : ubuntu-tablet@

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-02-10 Thread Николай Шатохин
So, What are you decided about hardware? What tablet will I must to buy for tests? 2012/2/1 brian mullan > I've been waiting for an ubuntu port to the Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet. > > I've rooted mine and am currently running the Android 4.x Ice Cream > Sandwich release and its really a good tabl

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-31 Thread brian mullan
I've been waiting for an ubuntu port to the Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet. I've rooted mine and am currently running the Android 4.x Ice Cream Sandwich release and its really a good tablet with that OS. But there is a huge interest in the Nook Color user world for an Ubuntu release that can be inst

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-30 Thread Mitchell Reese
Thanks Alan, look forward to seeing which direction things go. M Curious Mail - Sent via Linux Alan Pope wrote: >Hi Mitchell, > >On 30/01/12 00:29, Mitchell Reese wrote: >> Wow. So that means then, that after Mark Shuttleworth's announcement >> that Ubuntu is coming to tablets, the 'officially'

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-30 Thread Alan Pope
Hi Mitchell, On 30/01/12 00:29, Mitchell Reese wrote: Wow. So that means then, that after Mark Shuttleworth's announcement that Ubuntu is coming to tablets, the 'officially' recommended way at the moment to join in with development is to buy a tablet that doesn't support, and quite possibly will

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-30 Thread Markus Burrer
And maybe you shoud talk to Aaron Seigo. He wants to develop a open source tablet with Plasma Active. http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/01/reveal.html I like this form factor and for most of my stuff it is big enough. Markus Am 28.01.2012 23:10, schrieb Curious Legends: > I have hesitations about

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-30 Thread Markus Burrer
What about devices with the Mali graphics core from ARM? This will become an open source graphics driver. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=arm_mali_reverse&num=1 Kal-El is nice, but I prefere something more supported and more stable Markus Am 28.01.2012 23:10, schrieb Curious

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-29 Thread Mitchell Reese
Wow. So that means then, that after Mark Shuttleworth's announcement that Ubuntu is coming to tablets, the 'officially' recommended way at the moment to join in with development is to buy a tablet that doesn't support, and quite possibly will never reliably support, hardware accelerated graphic

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-29 Thread Alan Pope
Hi Randall, On 28/01/12 02:37, Randall Ross wrote: As we wait for a real Ubuntu tablet (with Ubuntu pre-installed, certified, etc), what's the best bet for demonstrating Ubuntu's greatness on a tablet to get people excited about the concept? Are there any tablets currently on the market that can

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-29 Thread Mitchell Reese
That would be awesome! Until it happens though, and it's clear these drivers work in Ubuntu, then any tegra based tablets for development should be out. Also, for what it's worth, I think Ubuntu needs to be preinstalled on tablet hardware in it's own right. Most people simply aren't willing, or

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-29 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
On 29. jan. 2012 19:06, Chris wrote: But that is not the point. The point is support/development from either the community or Canonical. Is either one prepared to put massive work into the development of drivers for the hardware to have the same hardware acceleration as Android? The Andro

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-29 Thread Chris
I thought the most popular Android tablet at the moment is the Samsung Galaxy Tab? I'm working from memory only at the moment, so don't hang me on that. But that is not the point. The point is support/development from either the community or Canonical. Is either one prepared to put massive work in

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-29 Thread Nicholas Shatokhin
Why am I vote for Transformer Prime? First of all, transformers is the most popular Android tablets in the world. Many people have it and they don't want to buy second tablet. But if Ubuntu will be better than Android, they will setup it into their tablets. Second, Transformer Prime is the

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-29 Thread brian mullan
follow the status on launchpad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Mitchell Reese < mitch...@curiouslegends.com.au> wrote: > I disagree. Notion Ink had their chance, and blew it. By not opening up > from the start and embracing the developer community they shot them

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-29 Thread Mitchell Reese
I disagree. Notion Ink had their chance, and blew it. By not opening up from the start and embracing the developer community they shot themselves in the foot. I bought one of their tablets, and it was crap. Not bad hardware, but not even close to an ipad. The os was buggy as all hell, and awful

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-29 Thread satch...@gmail.com
I've said this before, but I'll say it again. Canonical should talk to Notion Ink. In November 2010, when the Notion Ink Adam released, it was probably the best tablet hardware in the world. Within six months of the iPad, it had created a better iPad at a third the price. What NI suffered from was

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-29 Thread Chris
Hai Chris, I would love to start a company to create/sell "Ubuntu" tablets. I still think they could use some "refinements" that are already in GNOME Shell. E.g. the automatic creation of virtual desktops when opening a windows on an empty one. For managing those desktops I would like another desk

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-29 Thread Chris Billington
If you read the reviews or look on Youtube the Archos G9 has major quality problems- digitiser issues, case flex, etc. It's not a quality item. armel/armhf are compiler architectures, not connected to the hardware architecture which is Cortex A9. If the RAM is 512MB then I can definitely predict pr

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-29 Thread Mitchell Reese
The 8 & 16gb versions of the archos gen9 all seem to have 512 mb of ram. Apparently the 'turbo' incarnations of these tablets coming out this year are clocked at 1.5ghz (dual core), and are said to have 1gb ram and 250 gb hard drive. These specs are all still to be confirmed, however I found a l

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-29 Thread Chris Billington
Agreed, avoid Nvidia Tegra. Based on my experience with the Toshiba AC100 'Tegra2 Netbook', where a buggy alpha graphics driver was followed six months later by a buggy beta, NVidia (worldwide sales $billions) could not give a hoot about Linux support. Allegedly it's due to 'resource issues'- all t

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-28 Thread Mitchell Reese
Just had a quick squiz, and while the transformer prime seems like it sports an unlocked bootloader, the only way I found to get Ubuntu running was through a chroot. I really don't recommend using this method for a dev device. I think we need something natively installed, without android, or we'

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-28 Thread Curious Legends
I have hesitations about using the asus transformer prime as our development device. The main one is that it uses the kal-el tegra 3 chipset. While it's quad-core clocked at 1ghz, the gpu uses proprietary drivers from Nvidia. While I don't mind using proprietary drivers for gpu acceleration, (af

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-28 Thread Nicholas Shatokhin
Very good choice :) Please, don't forget that in summer will be modified Prime with bigger screen resolution (but I don't think that it's problem :) ) But the problem of new tablet OS in small count of applications. So, I hope Canonical will add us possibility to deploy ARM tablet apps into

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-28 Thread Randall Ross
Thanks all for the suggestions/links. After reading all the material and surveying the tablet space, I think the most promising tablet device for our 'prototype' is this one: http://eee.asus.com/en/eeepad/transformer-prime/specification/ Why? - It's light - It's new - It unifies tablets and ne

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-28 Thread Nicholas Shatokhin
Guys from XDA ported ubuntu on Eee Pad Transformer. Look this topic http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1191141 and this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cFcjB3_RsI Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:33:56 +0200 було написано brian mullan : I think for all ARM devices at least until Ub

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-28 Thread brian mullan
I think for all ARM devices at least until Ubuntu 12.04 comes out only have Linux/ubuntu running in a CHROOT of Android. I have Ubuntu installed this way on my cell phone & on my Nook Color tablet which are both ARM based but so far I don't think I know of any direct install of linux to completely

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-28 Thread Nicholas Shatokhin
Ubuntu successfully works on Asus EeePad Transformer (ARM device). Sat, 28 Jan 2012 05:13:57 +0200 було написано Elizabeth Krumbach : On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Randall Ross wrote: As we wait for a real Ubuntu tablet (with Ubuntu pre-installed, certified, etc), what's the best bet

Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-27 Thread Elizabeth Krumbach
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Randall Ross wrote: > As we wait for a real Ubuntu tablet (with Ubuntu pre-installed, certified, > etc), what's the best bet for demonstrating Ubuntu's greatness on a tablet > to get people excited about the concept? Are there any tablets currently on > the market

[Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

2012-01-27 Thread Randall Ross
Hello Tablet Gang! As we wait for a real Ubuntu tablet (with Ubuntu pre-installed, certified, etc), what's the best bet for demonstrating Ubuntu's greatness on a tablet to get people excited about the concept? Are there any tablets currently on the market that can be handily wiped and reloade