Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PA in audio production - was: A survey if you don't mind

2014-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi, when Will Godfrey posts the final analysis of his poll, I will ask those who don't use Jack or ALSA for audio production, for the reasons that they don't use Jack or ALSA. I dislike the idea of making two sound servers Pulse->Jack the default of a distro for artists and I fear that a few users

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] 14.10 Release Candidate Testing in progress

2014-10-23 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
New builds are out that need testing. 64bit http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds/82604/testcases 32bit http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/325/builds/82659/testcases -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscr

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] 14.10 Release Candidate Testing in progress

2014-10-23 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
We are releasing today btw, so this will be the last chance to do any testing :). -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PA in audio production - was: A survey if you don't mind

2014-10-23 Thread Camilo Flores
Hi, I use the Pulse->Jack audio path because it allows me to edit music and at the same time listen to (and eventually use, shhh...) pre-recorded music available by commercial mediums (AKA spotify, youtube, vimeo, etc). Mi notebook has PulseAudio available by default but, via a little script, eve

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PA in audio production - was: A survey if you don't mind

2014-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 09:40 -0300, Camilo Flores wrote: > Mi notebook has PulseAudio available by default but, via a little > script, every time I start jack I redirect the audio from Pulseaudio > to JACK. Is such a script IMO should be available by a default Ubuntu Studio. -- ubuntu-studio-de

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PA in audio production - was: A survey if you don't mind

2014-10-23 Thread Camilo Flores
I will happily share it as soon as I grab that notebook. Definitely I will send it in less than 24 hours. 2014-10-23 10:41 GMT-03:00 Ralf Mardorf : > On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 09:40 -0300, Camilo Flores wrote: > > Mi notebook has PulseAudio available by default but, via a little > > script, every tim

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PA in audio production - was: A survey if you don't mind

2014-10-23 Thread Camilo Flores
Sorry for the spam. Just found it in an old repo in GitHub: https://github.com/kmixflow/ffado-misc/blob/master/pulse-jack-post-start.sh Run the script after you have JACK started. I added it on qjackctl as a post-start script. Hope you find it useful. Regards! Camilo 2014-10-23 10:48 GMT-03:00

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PA in audio production - was: A survey if you don't mind

2014-10-23 Thread Mike Holstein
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 4:15 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Hi, > > when Will Godfrey posts the final analysis of his poll, I will ask those > who don't use Jack or ALSA for audio production, for the reasons that > they don't use Jack or ALSA. I dislike the idea of making two sound > servers Pulse->Ja

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PA in audio production - was: A survey if you don't mind

2014-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 11:11 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote: > ralph, would you prefer a wiki page that states the *actual* facts > about the "drawbacks" or overhead of running the dbus? are you trying > to get it set by default that the dbus is not on? Apples aren't oranges ;). I get your point, but I

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] 14.10 Release Candidate Testing in progress

2014-10-23 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
All testing done pretty much. I've marked both ISOs ready. So, expect a release announcement sometime today/tomorrow. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel

[ubuntu-studio-devel] dbus

2014-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Has anybody on this list disabled dbus, while using a DE or WM and several GUI apps that expect dbus running? Mike's mail makes me thinking again about dbus. I can't interrupt my current office session, but I guess I will test it. I suspect that disabling dbus would cause serious issues. -- ubun

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] dbus

2014-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 18:21 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Has anybody on this list disabled dbus, while using a DE or WM and > several GUI apps that expect dbus running? Mike's mail makes me thinking > again about dbus. I can't interrupt my current office session, but I > guess I will test it. I sus

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] dbus

2014-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
PPS: $ ps aux | grep dbus | grep -v grep dbus 347 0.0 0.0 25240 3348 ?Ss Oct22 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --address=systemd: --nofork --nopidfile --systemd-activation lightdm891 0.0 0.0 18028 1688 ?SOct22 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-launch --autolaunch

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] dbus

2014-10-23 Thread lukefromdc
LOTS of things use dbus to talk to each other, for instance Compiz and Cairo-dock can use it to interact with each other. Before disabling it you would need to ensure your entire DE is not using dbus, something like IceWM invoked directly from Startx (running X as an ordinary user) should work wel

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] dbus

2014-10-23 Thread lukefromdc
I just tested stopping dbus (via systemd), this kills lightdm as well. To run without dbus you would need a session manager that does not require it to be running in order to run itself. On my system lightdm did restart, but with networking disabled. On 10/23/2014 at 2:03 PM, lukefro...@hushmail.

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] dbus

2014-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 15:29 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: > I just tested stopping dbus (via systemd), this kills lightdm as well. > To run without dbus you would need a session manager that does not > require it to be running in order to run itself. On my system lightdm > did restart, but

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] dbus

2014-10-23 Thread lukefromdc
I made the transition myself, since I needed to port my boot time multi encrypted disk unlocker over to it, given that Ubuntu will use it in the future. I tend to make that sort of transition well in advance if it involves porting my own software. I DO see forks of systemd developing, however, if

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] dbus

2014-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 22:08 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 15:52 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: > > given that Ubuntu will use it in the future > > Systemd is the future init process of _all_ Linux distros. I respect the > work of the Ubuntu Studio developers, that's why

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] dbus

2014-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 22:11 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 22:08 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 15:52 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: > > > given that Ubuntu will use it in the future > > > > Systemd is the future init process of _all_ Linux distros.

[ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 14.10 Released

2014-10-23 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
As discussed earlier on this mail list, we've decided to focus more on supporting the LTS(Long Term Support) release, and also recommend our users to install the LTS release rather than the latest release. But, we continue to publish ISOs every six months as usual. And here is the latest one. Rele

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 14.10 Released

2014-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 22:53 +0200, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > we've decided to focus more on supporting the LTS That's a wise decision for a release model approach. The real rolling release approach comes with advantages an drawbacks. For the release model a big "+" for preferring The LTS model. --

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] dbus

2014-10-23 Thread lukefromdc
My current OS evolved from UbuntuStudio Jaunty but has diverged quite a bit over the years. It's still set up to look a lot like UbuntuStudio Hardy with the even older "soft-green" desktop wallpaper from KDE 3 or 3.5 substituted. Currently I'm working my ass off to get a pretty menu retrofitted i

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] dbus

2014-10-23 Thread Len Ovens
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: PPS: $ ps aux | grep dbus | grep -v grep dbus 347 0.0 0.0 25240 3348 ?Ss Oct22 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --address=systemd: --nofork --nopidfile --systemd-activation lightdm891 0.0 0.0 18028 1688 ?SOct

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PA in audio production - was: A survey if you don't mind

2014-10-23 Thread Mike Holstein
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 11:11 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote: > > ralph, would you prefer a wiki page that states the *actual* facts > > about the "drawbacks" or overhead of running the dbus? are you trying > > to get it set by default that the db