[Ubuntu-phone] Multi-window support ?

2013-07-19 Thread Omar B .
Multi-window seems to becoming available on Android for tablets and mini-PCs: http://liliputing.com/2013/07/multi-window-support-coming-to-some-android-tablets-with-rockchip-cpus.html X There seems to be a lot of demand for this, specially in China and other places. Was wonde

[Ubuntu-phone] Dialer/number entry component?

2013-07-19 Thread Iain Lane
Greetings (Gustavo, I've cc-ed you explicitly as committer to the phone-app; sorry if this is noise to you [doubly so given that I sent to the wrong list address initially...]), In system-settings we have some screens that look like this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhoneApp#Call_waiting or https:

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Dialer/number entry component?

2013-07-19 Thread Jouni Helminen
Hey Iain, If you mean the large dial pad in the phone app for dialing numbers (the same dial pad is used for unlocking the phone with a pin) then we are in the process of redesigning the visuals for it - should be available in the next couple of weeks. It isn't tied in with Maliit and isn't in the

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Dialer/number entry component?

2013-07-19 Thread Iain Lane
Hi Jouni, Thanks for your reply. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 09:55:44AM +0100, Jouni Helminen wrote: > […] > There will likely be another type of number input that IS a part of the > Maliit keyboard - an alternative keyboard layout with numbers that is used > when editing phone numbers in your contac

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Multi-window support ?

2013-07-19 Thread Zisu Andrei
I personally think it adds an unnecessary complication. A tablet is supposed to be simple and easy to use with touch, and touch is not exactly precise... It will be easy to implement with the "one interface to rule them all" idea floating around here, though. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.ne

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Multi-window support ?

2013-07-19 Thread Jean-Marc Gailis
Hi! The probleme is that a lot of people want this function, and in the tablet trailer we shown Ubuntu Touch running with 2 windows, and people is asking for this function. Le vendredi 19 juillet 2013, Zisu Andrei a écrit : > I personally think it adds an unnecessary complication. A tablet i

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Applications spawning other Applications

2013-07-19 Thread Jamie Strandboge
On 07/18/2013 04:37 PM, Jamie Strandboge wrote: > Another thought that I meant to mention before: this clearly works really well > for the click package/Ubuntu SDK model, where everything is designed to work > with this and all applications are confined, but what about the converged > device > wi

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Multi-window support ?

2013-07-19 Thread Rasmus Eneman
The tablet interface have the side view and personally I think that is good. Anything more wouldn't be good. On Jul 19, 2013 12:20 PM, "Jean-Marc Gailis" wrote: > Hi! > The probleme is that a lot of people want this function, and in the tablet > trailer we shown Ubuntu Touch running with 2 window

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Applications spawning other Applications

2013-07-19 Thread Michael Zanetti
On Thursday 18 July 2013 20:50:28 Michał Sawicz wrote: > W dniu 18.07.2013 20:37, Thomas Voß pisze: > > Good point and I do agree in general, However, once we allow mime-type > > handling we break the strict per-app siloing of content. > > > > Not sure how to solve that issue for mime-type handlin

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Multi-window support ?

2013-07-19 Thread Zisu Andrei
> > The probleme is that a lot of people want this function, and in the tablet > trailer we shown Ubuntu Touch running with 2 windows, > and people is asking for this function. No problem here. The priority is, now, to get the phone up and running. The tablet will be more down the line. Zisu And

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GSettings schemas for phone/tablet settings

2013-07-19 Thread Marc Deslauriers
On 13-07-19 02:54 AM, Alberto Mardegan wrote: > On 07/18/2013 06:29 PM, Marc Deslauriers wrote: >> On 13-07-18 11:04 AM, Iain Lane wrote: >>> Thoughts? I'd like to get moving on being able to define schemas and >>> start making the system-settings application set and retrieve keys so >>> that app (

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Applications spawning other Applications

2013-07-19 Thread Marc Deslauriers
On 13-07-19 07:11 AM, Michael Zanetti wrote: > On Thursday 18 July 2013 20:50:28 Michał Sawicz wrote: >> W dniu 18.07.2013 20:37, Thomas Voß pisze: >>> Good point and I do agree in general, However, once we allow mime-type >>> handling we break the strict per-app siloing of content. >>> >>> Not sur

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Applications spawning other Applications

2013-07-19 Thread mrqtros
And what about Qt.openUrlExternally? =) Btw, do you mean that app couldn't use QProcess for creating processes as well? =) 19.07.13 16:04 Marc Deslauriers написал(а): On 13-07-19 07:11 AM, Michael Zanetti wrote: > On Thursday 18 July 2013 20:50:28 Michał Sawicz wrote: >> W dniu 18.07.2013 20:3

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Applications spawning other Applications

2013-07-19 Thread Marc Deslauriers
On 13-07-19 08:23 AM, mrqt...@gmail.com wrote: > And what about Qt.openUrlExternally? =) That's a good question, we'd have to investigate how that works, and possibly modify it. > > > Btw, do you mean that app couldn't use QProcess for creating processes as > well? =) You can do it, but it wi

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GSettings schemas for phone/tablet settings

2013-07-19 Thread David Planella
Al 18/07/13 18:32, En/na Marc Deslauriers ha escrit: > On 13-07-18 12:12 PM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: >> Le 18/07/2013 17:29, Marc Deslauriers a écrit : >>> FYI, App developers will not be able to use GSettings in the current >>> version of >>> the SDK because of application confinement. >> >> Hey

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Multi-window support ?

2013-07-19 Thread Lewis Donofrio
MultiWidows are bad they are a throw back, just sayin... -- ___ https://www.vizify.com/lewis-donofrio - 734-743-1743 On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:46 AM, Zisu Andrei wrote: > The probleme is that a lot of people want this function, an

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GSettings schemas for phone/tablet settings

2013-07-19 Thread Marc Deslauriers
On 13-07-19 08:57 AM, David Planella wrote: > Al 18/07/13 18:32, En/na Marc Deslauriers ha escrit: >> On 13-07-18 12:12 PM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: >>> Le 18/07/2013 17:29, Marc Deslauriers a écrit : FYI, App developers will not be able to use GSettings in the current version of the

[Ubuntu-phone] [Development] What is the plugin scheme (if any?) for the welcome/greeter screen?

2013-07-19 Thread John McAleely
Folks, In the demos, there are screenshots of the screen the users sees on wakeup (welcome screen?) showing items like '20 tweets received' How do I offer the user the chance to select a data feed from my application/service? Is it planned that an application can do this? J -- Mailing lis

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Dialer/number entry component?

2013-07-19 Thread Gustavo Pichorim Boiko
Hi On 07/19/2013 05:21 AM, Iain Lane wrote: > Greetings (Gustavo, I've cc-ed you explicitly as committer to the > phone-app; sorry if this is noise to you), > > In system-settings we have some screens that look like this > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhoneApp#Call_waiting > > or > > https://wiki.u

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Dialer/number entry component?

2013-07-19 Thread Iain Lane
Hey, On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:36:20AM -0300, Gustavo Pichorim Boiko wrote: > […] > Right now this is just a QML file inside the phone-app itself, but I > think I can clean it up and provide it as a component. > > I am just not sure it fits as a component in the SDK, but I will discuss > with S

[Ubuntu-phone] Power management policy

2013-07-19 Thread Zisu Andrei
Heh, sorry, poor choice of words. I just used a function just called throttle a few minutes ago that does just that... :p I wouldn't honestly like it to be as strict as iOS' or SIGSTOP, though. For example, I am currently developing an iOS app which I really need to know when it is minimized to fi

[Ubuntu-phone] Power management policy

2013-07-19 Thread Zisu Andrei
"let the user decide" is one of the reasons why foss fails with inexperienced users, plus, you really don't want that extra level of complexity on a phone. The game doesn't really need to run in the background when it is not being played. You will just do design your game loop around that, but, in

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Power management policy

2013-07-19 Thread Thomas Voß
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Zisu Andrei wrote: > IM and media player are common-sense exceptions, as well. > > I do disagree for two reasons: (1.) IM apps running in the background, polling a socket or something are really difficult over mobile broadband connections. For that reason, push

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Power management policy

2013-07-19 Thread Thomas Voß
Hey there, you might be interested in: * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-add-app-model-and-lifecycle-to-platform-api * and the corresponding spec in: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1ij8RtPsR_eYMW3mys8Gu1Y2CVFZpjXdMpdIjIGZ1SCA/edit# In summary: W

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Power management policy

2013-07-19 Thread Zisu Andrei
IM and media player are common-sense exceptions, as well. On Friday, July 19, 2013, Mike Bybee wrote: > > On 07/19/2013 08:45 AM, Josh Leverette wrote: > > The spec looks very promising. > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Thomas Voß > 'thomas.v...@canonical.com');> > > wrote: > >> Hey ther

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GSettings schemas for phone/tablet settings

2013-07-19 Thread Iain Lane
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 09:25:34AM -0400, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > > […] > > Some of the core apps (Clock and Weather are such examples) might need > > to get system-wide settings such as the current location or time zone > > (assuming that is stored in the system settings app). > > GSettings is

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Power management policy

2013-07-19 Thread Mike Bybee
On 07/19/2013 09:04 AM, Thomas Voß wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Mike Bybee wrote: On 07/19/2013 08:45 AM, Josh Leverette wrote: The spec looks very promising. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Thomas Voß wrote: Hey there, you might be interested in: * https://blueprints.lau

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Daily/Current?

2013-07-19 Thread Alan Pope
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Randall Ross wrote: > I've noticed the last daily was published Jul 12. Are we no longer > daily, or am I looking in the wrong place? > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/ > > You are. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Multi-window support ?

2013-07-19 Thread Omar B .
>The tablet interface have the side view and personally I think that is good. >Anything more wouldn't be good. Well that mostly depends on the size of the tablet / touch screen. There are more and more big ones / hybrids selling as home computers: http://blog.laptopmag.com/5-reasons-large-screen-t

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Power management policy

2013-07-19 Thread Josh Leverette
The spec looks very promising. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Thomas Voß wrote: > Hey there, > > you might be interested in: > > * > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-add-app-model-and-lifecycle-to-platform-api > * and the corresponding spec in: > > https://docs.go

[Ubuntu-phone] Power management policy

2013-07-19 Thread Zisu Andrei
Hey guys, What I find interesting in the iPad (I just have one because I need it for work) and recently in Mac OS Mavericks is their power managent policy. Put simply, in iOS, except a few very special cases, you applications will be stopped when they go into background. So the foreground app get

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Power management policy

2013-07-19 Thread Josh Leverette
to throttle something actually means to slow it down, just for future reference. But, yes. A less rigorously enforced policy that mimics what Apple does with background apps is something I would approve of. If an application asks permission to run in the background, then that's fine, but I don't w

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Daily/Current?

2013-07-19 Thread Elias K Gardner
That makes sense thanks for the clarification. On Friday, July 19, 2013, Ricardo Salveti de Araujo wrote: > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Elias K Gardner > > > wrote: > > Similar question here. Running phablet-flash today reverted from > yesterday's > > 2013718 build to the 2013716 build from

[Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu System Settings: summary week 28

2013-07-19 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Hey everyone, Since other teams are doing weekly summary email, seems like we should do one for system settings as well ;-) Those what happened in week 28 (yeah, that's almost a week late, but we are going to do better from now on!) * system settings interface - some small UI tweaks, fixed

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Multi-window support ?

2013-07-19 Thread Rasmus Eneman
2013/7/19 Josh Leverette > A 20" screen definitely qualifies for desktop mode. I don't think it would > be running tablet style at that point. Agree to this. Ubuntu isn't Windows. The desktop experience is still a first class citizen. -- Rasmus Eneman -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Power management policy

2013-07-19 Thread Mike Bybee
On 07/19/2013 10:47 AM, Josh Leverette wrote: "So my specific questions were directed to how we want to manage that - since a hard sigstop when an app switches would be equivalent to a crash to almost every current app in the app store. Obviously, lots of apps will be created *for* touch, but t

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Daily/Current?

2013-07-19 Thread Elias K Gardner
Similar question here. Running phablet-flash today reverted from yesterday's 2013718 build to the 2013716 build from three days ago. I can see the current is from 7-16 so what changed from yesterday to today? On Friday, July 19, 2013, Alan Pope wrote: > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Randall Ro

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Power management policy

2013-07-19 Thread Thomas Voß
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Mike Bybee wrote: > > On 07/19/2013 08:45 AM, Josh Leverette wrote: > > The spec looks very promising. > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Thomas Voß > wrote: >> >> Hey there, >> >> you might be interested in: >> >> * >> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubun

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Power management policy

2013-07-19 Thread Josh Leverette
"So my specific questions were directed to how we want to manage that - since a hard sigstop when an app switches would be equivalent to a crash to almost every current app in the app store. Obviously, lots of apps will be created *for* touch, but the point all along has been that it should be triv

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Power management policy

2013-07-19 Thread Mike Bybee
On 07/19/2013 08:45 AM, Josh Leverette wrote: The spec looks very promising. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Thomas Voß mailto:thomas.v...@canonical.com>> wrote: Hey there, you might be interested in: * https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-add-app

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Power management policy

2013-07-19 Thread Mike Bybee
On 07/19/2013 09:32 AM, Zisu Andrei wrote: "let the user decide" is one of the reasons why foss fails with inexperienced users, plus, you really don't want that extra level of complexity on a phone. The game doesn't really need to run in the background when it is not being played. You will ju

[Ubuntu-phone] Daily/Current?

2013-07-19 Thread Randall Ross
I've noticed the last daily was published Jul 12. Are we no longer daily, or am I looking in the wrong place? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/ Cheers, Randall signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Multi-window support ?

2013-07-19 Thread Josh Leverette
A 20" screen definitely qualifies for desktop mode. I don't think it would be running tablet style at that point. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Omar B. wrote: > >The tablet interface have the side view and personally I think that is > good. Anything more wouldn't be good. > > Well that most

[Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Touch daily previews not updated?

2013-07-19 Thread Jeremy Tayco
Good afternoon! I've noticed on the Ubuntu preview image page [1] that the latest image available is from July 12th. I don't see another page that has the images nor the compiled changelog. Is there a seperate page I should be looking for? Thank you for your time; I look forward to testing the l

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Power management policy

2013-07-19 Thread Thomas Voß
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Mike Bybee wrote: > On 07/19/2013 09:32 AM, Zisu Andrei wrote: > > "let the user decide" is one of the reasons why foss fails with > inexperienced users, plus, you really don't want that extra level of > complexity on a phone. > > The game doesn't really need to ru

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Daily/Current?

2013-07-19 Thread Ricardo Salveti de Araujo
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Elias K Gardner wrote: > Similar question here. Running phablet-flash today reverted from yesterday's > 2013718 build to the 2013716 build from three days ago. I can see the > current is from 7-16 so what changed from yesterday to today? We're working on cleaning

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Ubuntu Touch daily previews not updated?

2013-07-19 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 19 July 2013 23:21, Jeremy Tayco wrote: > Good afternoon! I've noticed on the Ubuntu preview image page [1] that the > latest image available is from July 12th. I don't see another page that has > the images nor the compiled changelog. Is there a seperate page I should be > looking for? Thank y

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] GSettings schemas for phone/tablet settings

2013-07-19 Thread Olivier Tilloy
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Marc Deslauriers < marc.deslauri...@canonical.com> wrote: > […] > > > - Use Qt's LocalStorage to store in-app settings > > Yes, that would be correct. Is that an official recommendation for all applications, or is the SDK team working on exposing an in-app settin

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Multi-window support ?

2013-07-19 Thread Zisu Andrei
> > A 20" screen definitely qualifies for desktop mode. I don't think it would > be running tablet style at that point. And that pretty much closes the case for multi-window tablet mode. Zisu Andrei On 19 July 2013 18:59, Rasmus Eneman wrote: > > 2013/7/19 Josh Leverette > >> A 20" screen d

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Power management policy

2013-07-19 Thread Zisu Andrei
>From the application lifecycle draft: > Application authors can implement the respective lifecycle delegate > callbacks to receive notifications about being suspended, stopped or > destroyed. What is unclear at this point is what can an application do during that callback? How long does it take

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Power management policy

2013-07-19 Thread Mike Bybee
On 07/19/2013 02:46 PM, Thomas Voß wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Mike Bybee wrote: On 07/19/2013 09:32 AM, Zisu Andrei wrote: "let the user decide" is one of the reasons why foss fails with inexperienced users, plus, you really don't want that extra level of complexity on a phone. T

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Daily/Current?

2013-07-19 Thread Sam Bull
On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 17:52 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/ > > Let us know if there's some out-dated documentation we need to update > please? How come the new location is missing the changelog? signature.asc Description: This is a digit

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Power management policy

2013-07-19 Thread Thomas Voß
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Zisu Andrei wrote: > From the application lifecycle draft: >> >> Application authors can implement the respective lifecycle delegate >> callbacks to receive notifications about being suspended, stopped or >> destroyed. > > > What is unclear at this point is what ca

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Multi-window support ?

2013-07-19 Thread Omar B .
>A 20" screen definitely qualifies for desktop mode. I don't think it would be >running tablet style at that point. Then, I wonder what would be the case study for the ASUS Transformer AiO. Just desktop mode? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hUPWgLXMBY http://www.asus.com/AllinOne_PCs/ASUS_Transfo

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Multi-window support ?

2013-07-19 Thread Josh Leverette
What the difference? We really don't know what unity 8 for the desktop looks like. But, based on logical induction, the only significant difference is that you can move things around and resize them as windows in one, and they're all fullscreen in the other. You can still run the same apps in deskt

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Multi-window support ?

2013-07-19 Thread Josh Leverette
What is the difference? We really don't know what unity 8 for the desktop looks like. But, based on logical induction, the only significant difference is that you can move things around and resize them as windows in one, and they're all fullscreen in the other. You can still run the same apps in de

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] HTC One T-Mobile (m7tmo) stuck on logo, need help.

2013-07-19 Thread Thomas Arouge
I tried doing the raring build but it still gets stuck on the HTC logo and I get the same error when ever I try to use adb shell. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:42 PM, András Mamenyák wrote: > You should try the raring/monthly-06 image > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Thomas Arouge > wrote: >