Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Olivier Tilloy wrote on 09/10/15 16:46: >> >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas >> wrote: >> >> ... >>> >>> Even if we wanted to, the browser can't easily limit its

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Olivier Tilloy wrote on 09/10/15 16:46: > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas > wrote: > > ... >> >> Even if we wanted to, the browser can't easily limit its use of >> the download service to just things that are going to open

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Olivier Tilloy wrote on 02/10/15 11:55: >> >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas >> wrote: >> >> ... >>> A better solution, perhaps, would be to expand the Download >

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Olivier Tilloy wrote on 02/10/15 11:55: > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas > wrote: > > ... >> A better solution, perhaps, would be to expand the Download >> Manager service. >>

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

hi, Am Donnerstag, den 08.10.2015, 16:02 -0600 schrieb Selene Scriven: > * Oliver Grawert wrote: > > (note that this is pretty close to the IOS model (which shows > > this is techincally possible) and is the reason that we are > > currently miles better in battery life than android in the same

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

:) On Friday, October 9, 2015 7:33:19 AM EEST, Nathan Haines wrote: On 10/08/2015 09:24 PM, Ionut Negru wrote: Please excuse my ignorance, but what is this IOS? Is the OS shortening from operating system? iOS is the system software that runs on Apple's iPad and iPhone devices. -- Sent us

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On 10/08/2015 09:24 PM, Ionut Negru wrote: Please excuse my ignorance, but what is this IOS? Is the OS shortening from operating system? iOS is the system software that runs on Apple's iPad and iPhone devices. -- Nathan Haines Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

Please excuse my ignorance, but what is this IOS? Is the OS shortening from operating system? On Friday, October 9, 2015 1:02:21 AM EEST, Selene Scriven wrote: * Oliver Grawert wrote: (note that this is pretty close to the IOS model (which shows this is techincally possible) and is the reason

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

* Oliver Grawert wrote: > (note that this is pretty close to the IOS model (which shows > this is techincally possible) and is the reason that we are > currently miles better in battery life than android in the same > device) It sounds a lot like the PalmOS model from the 90s. It didn't real

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

hi, Am Dienstag, den 06.10.2015, 16:45 +0200 schrieb Alexander Kinne: > > On Di, Okt 6, 2015 at 1:53 , Oliver Grawert wrote: > > hi, > > > > Am Donnerstag, den 01.10.2015, 16:53 +0100 schrieb Alan Bell: > >> one of the particular strengths of the Ubuntu Touch UI is that you > >> can > >> see

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On 10/06/2015 08:07 AM, Alan Bell wrote: > well things that are shut down and just screenshots go into that out of > focus blurry mode, then they refresh and come back, as if you have just > started them, it is quite annoying, but perhaps better than some > alternatives if you have to kill things t

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On 06/10/15 15:45, Alexander Kinne wrote: On Di, Okt 6, 2015 at 1:53 , Oliver Grawert wrote: hi, Am Donnerstag, den 01.10.2015, 16:53 +0100 schrieb Alan Bell: one of the particular strengths of the Ubuntu Touch UI is that you can see what apps are running and close the things you don't

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Tue, 2015-10-06 at 16:45 +0200, Alexander Kinne wrote: > In this case what is the sense of the switcher/ app-spread? Its just a > list of apps that got "started once" - fine. Whats the point of having > such a list? My understanding is that a stopped app should store it's state before it gets

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Di, Okt 6, 2015 at 1:53 , Oliver Grawert wrote: hi, Am Donnerstag, den 01.10.2015, 16:53 +0100 schrieb Alan Bell: one of the particular strengths of the Ubuntu Touch UI is that you can see what apps are running and close the things you don't want. thats not true at all ... what you s

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

hi, Am Donnerstag, den 01.10.2015, 16:53 +0100 schrieb Alan Bell: > one of the particular strengths of the Ubuntu Touch UI is that you can > see what apps are running and close the things you don't want. thats not true at all ... what you see in the app-spread is just a representation of apps yo

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On 05/10/15 10:02, Thomas Voß wrote: > I fully agree, and would like to elaborate: > > From my pov, the goal should be that the AVERAGE user does not have to > manually > maintain the list of open apps at all to achieve good battery life and > a performant system. I think that is a good principle

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Mon, 2015-10-05 at 10:17 +0200, Christian Dywan wrote: > The way I see it you grant permission to a task to continue running > the same way you confirm that your location can be tracked or the > camera may be used. You don't have to actually maintain a list unless > you think you gave permission

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Michał Sawicz wrote: > W dniu 01.10.2015 o 18:27, Craig Harper pisze: >> We are all behind Ubuntu Touch, if where not we would not commenting on >> this problem. We understand that its not going to happen overnight. >> But this is not the first time the conversati

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:03 PM, John Johansen wrote: > On 10/02/2015 08:32 AM, Thomas Voß wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 5:04 PM, sturmflut wrote: >>> Hey Thomas, >>> >>> On 02.10.2015 16:44, Thomas Voß wrote: >>> Let's make sure that we are untangling the lifecycle policy discussion

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

Am Mo, 5. Okt, 2015 um 10:02 schrieb Benjamin Zeller : Am 05.10.2015 um 09:07 schrieb Christian Dywan: I think a whitelist with commands that can be easily extended would be interesting for this. For example: Type "make". Wait a few seconds. Terminal shows a popup "Allow task to continue runni

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

W dniu 05.10.2015 o 10:02, Benjamin Zeller pisze: > But what would keep them from putting runbg into their .desktop files of > the apps? > Or to start a process from the app with that command. Technically we > would just get > background processing for everybody ;). We've apparmor for that. -- M

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

Am 05.10.2015 um 09:07 schrieb Christian Dywan: I think a whitelist with commands that can be easily extended would be interesting for this. For example: Type "make". Wait a few seconds. Terminal shows a popup "Allow task to continue running in the background?" From now on every invokation of

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

I think a whitelist with commands that can be easily extended would be interesting for this. For example: Type "make". Wait a few seconds. Terminal shows a popup "Allow task to continue running in the background?" From now on every invokation of make won't be stopped. And if it finishes in t

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

Just had a thought on these special cases in the terminal. I'm still not liking the idea of giving a lifecycle exception to the terminal, as I don't think it's needed for most use cases. But, what if we had a special command that would run a command in the background. In the same manner that the s

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

Am 02.10.2015 um 13:29 schrieb Michael Zanetti: On 02.10.2015 12:55, Olivier Tilloy wrote: On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alan Bell wrote on 01/10/15 12:25: I quite agree, even if it is a user preference it would be

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

W dniu 01.10.2015 o 18:51, Sam Bull pisze: > On Thu, 2015-10-01 at 16:29 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: >> I have a use case, where I sometimes want to use the terminal to open >> an SSH session somewhere, launch byobu and do some stuff, then flip to >> a web browser, look something up, then flip back to

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

W dniu 01.10.2015 o 18:27, Craig Harper pisze: > We are all behind Ubuntu Touch, if where not we would not commenting on > this problem. We understand that its not going to happen overnight. > But this is not the first time the conversation about Multitasking has > been bought up. We all underst

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

I also vote for ability to enable cpu usage for background apps. Application developers should always develop in enabled mode I think, apps working in enabled mode should work also in dsabled mode. If anybody still consider it the worst case, then I vote for enabling cpu usage for background apps p

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

Sorry guys, maybe this sounds very rude but maybe, just maybe, it's about time to get 'around the table' and get some sort of priority list going on. I used to be a decent chess player, and from that background I can tell you that sometimes you just have to get a few things straight before star

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On 10/02/2015 04:29 PM, Mitchell Reese wrote: > When it's a matter of principles, it can be hard to let go of certain ideas. > Yet at the end of the day, this comes down to how well does Ubuntu as a phone > platform compete with Android and IOS. When mobile phones first came into > fashion (reme

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

When it's a matter of principles, it can be hard to let go of certain ideas. Yet at the end of the day, this comes down to how well does Ubuntu as a phone platform compete with Android and IOS. When mobile phones first came into fashion (remember the 90's folks?), battery life on handsets was u

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On 10/02/2015 08:32 AM, Thomas Voß wrote: > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 5:04 PM, sturmflut wrote: >> Hey Thomas, >> >> On 02.10.2015 16:44, Thomas Voß wrote: >> >>> Let's make sure that we are untangling the lifecycle policy discussion >>> we are having here from the >>> discussion of enabling apps to

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

Hey Thomas, On 10/02/2015 11:45 AM, Thomas Voß wrote: > So I will take > the action to assemble the required information > together with a central place to capture and handle use-cases brought > up for background processing. For issue/use-case tracking > purposes, I went ahead and created: > http

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On 02.10.2015 17:32, Thomas Voß wrote: > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 5:04 PM, sturmflut wrote: >> Hey Thomas, >> >> On 02.10.2015 16:44, Thomas Voß wrote: >> >>> Let's make sure that we are untangling the lifecycle policy discussion >>> we are having here from the >>> discussion of enabling apps to p

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 5:04 PM, sturmflut wrote: > Hey Thomas, > > On 02.10.2015 16:44, Thomas Voß wrote: > >> Let's make sure that we are untangling the lifecycle policy discussion >> we are having here from the >> discussion of enabling apps to prevent the device from going to deep >> sleep. The

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

Hey Thomas, On 02.10.2015 16:44, Thomas Voß wrote: > Let's make sure that we are untangling the lifecycle policy discussion > we are having here from the > discussion of enabling apps to prevent the device from going to deep > sleep. The latter one can be solved and > both you and me have been ta

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 4:12 PM, sturmflut wrote: > Hey Thomas, > > On 02.10.2015 10:54, Thomas Voß wrote: > >> We certainly don't. I would argue that compiling code, browsing and >> emailing is not a typical mobile device use-case. >> Now that does not mean that those tasks won't be executed on th

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Michael Zanetti wrote: > > > On 02.10.2015 16:22, Chris Wayne wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 4:53 AM, Andrea Bernabei >> mailto:andrea.berna...@canonical.com>> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Thomas Voß >> mailto:thomas.v...@can

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

My friends built this for iOS/Android https://www.moves-app.com/ And most of its success has been due to the fact that you just leave it running in the background all the time. It works out whether you are walking/running/cycling/driving from the motion sensor/gps data algorithmically. There is so

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

I'm certainly not saying it's ideal, but anyway most people I know that run use some sort of armband to hold their phone (I can't imagine how annoying it would be running with a phone in my pocket). I actually like to keep the screen on so I can glance at the time/distance, but that could just be

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On 02.10.2015 16:22, Chris Wayne wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 4:53 AM, Andrea Bernabei > mailto:andrea.berna...@canonical.com>> > wrote: > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Thomas Voß > mailto:thomas.v...@canonical.com>> wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:04 AM,

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 4:53 AM, Andrea Bernabei < andrea.berna...@canonical.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Thomas Voß > wrote: > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Craig Harper >> wrote: >> > I dont think you need to open any flood gates. I think we just need to >> > break i

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

Hey Thomas, On 02.10.2015 10:54, Thomas Voß wrote: > We certainly don't. I would argue that compiling code, browsing and > emailing is not a typical mobile device use-case. > Now that does not mean that those tasks won't be executed on the > device, just in a different usage scenario, i.e., docke

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On 02.10.2015 12:55, Olivier Tilloy wrote: > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas > wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Alan Bell wrote on 01/10/15 12:25: >>> >>> I quite agree, even if it is a user preference it would be fine, >> >> Making backgroun

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On 10/02/2015 03:10 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > Alan Bell wrote on 01/10/15 12:25: > >> I quite agree, even if it is a user preference it would be fine, > > Making background processing a user preference would be the worst > possible approach. It would mean sometimes having to choose between

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Alan Bell wrote: > > > On 02/10/15 11:10, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Alan Bell wrote on 01/10/15 12:25: >>> >>> I quite agree, even if it is a user preference it would be fine, >> >> Making background pro

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Alan Bell wrote on 01/10/15 12:25: >> >> I quite agree, even if it is a user preference it would be fine, > > Making background processing a user preference would be the worst > possib

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On 02/10/15 11:10, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alan Bell wrote on 01/10/15 12:25: I quite agree, even if it is a user preference it would be fine, Making background processing a user preference would be the worst possible approach. It would mean s

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Alan Griffiths wrote: > On 02/10/15 09:54, Thomas Voß wrote: >>> Don't lose sight of the unique selling point that the phone can be a >>> > general purpose computer. >>> > >> We certainly don't. I would argue that compiling code, browsing and >> emailing is not a t

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alan Bell wrote on 01/10/15 12:25: > > I quite agree, even if it is a user preference it would be fine, Making background processing a user preference would be the worst possible approach. It would mean sometimes having to choose between battery life

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Andrea Bernabei wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Thomas Voß > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Andrea Bernabei >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Thomas Voß >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:14 AM,

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Thomas Voß wrote: > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Andrea Bernabei > wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Thomas Voß > > wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Andrea Bernabei > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 8

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Andrea Bernabei wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Thomas Voß > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Andrea Bernabei >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Thomas Voß >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:20 AM, B

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Thomas Voß wrote: > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Andrea Bernabei > wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Thomas Voß > > wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Benjamin Zeller > >> wrote: > >> > Hey all, > >> > > >> > I also put my tho

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Andrea Bernabei wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Thomas Voß > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Benjamin Zeller >> wrote: >> > Hey all, >> > >> > I also put my thoughts inline: >> > >> >> Hey Simon, >> >> >> >> Thanks for your thoughts and

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On 02/10/15 09:54, Thomas Voß wrote: >> Don't lose sight of the unique selling point that the phone can be a >> > general purpose computer. >> > > We certainly don't. I would argue that compiling code, browsing and > emailing is not a typical mobile device use-case. > Now that does not mean that th

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Andrea Bernabei wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Thomas Voß > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Craig Harper >> wrote: >> > I dont think you need to open any flood gates. I think we just need to >> > break it down. Keep the policies as t

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Thomas Voß wrote: > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Benjamin Zeller > wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > I also put my thoughts inline: > > > >> Hey Simon, > >> > >> Thanks for your thoughts and ideas. Please find my suggestions and > >> replies inline: > >> > >> On Thu,

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Alan Griffiths wrote: > On 02/10/15 09:18, Thomas Voß wrote: >> Now that would be somewhat alien. Developers aiming at mobile >> platforms are already used to structure their >> applications differently, precisely for integrating with execution >> infrastructure an

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Olivier Tilloy wrote: > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Thomas Voß wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Fredrik Andersson >> wrote: >>> Dont know if this is all programs, but i wanna be able to play some music >>> maybe in a browser or music app and be able

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Thomas Voß wrote: > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Craig Harper > wrote: > > I dont think you need to open any flood gates. I think we just need to > > break it down. Keep the policies as they are Strict Policy or you could > > call it Battery Saver Mode, this

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Thomas Voß wrote: > On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Fredrik Andersson > wrote: >> Dont know if this is all programs, but i wanna be able to play some music >> maybe in a browser or music app and be able to switch to other scopes/apps >> > > And that's working perf

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On 02/10/15 09:18, Thomas Voß wrote: > Now that would be somewhat alien. Developers aiming at mobile > platforms are already used to structure their > applications differently, precisely for integrating with execution > infrastructure and services offered by the respective > platforms. I don't thin

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Fredrik Andersson wrote: > Dont know if this is all programs, but i wanna be able to play some music > maybe in a browser or music app and be able to switch to other scopes/apps > And that's working perfectly fine. Media playback is handed over to media hub, which

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

Alright if there is another way to do it, then i'm all for it :) On 02/10/2015 09:36, Alberto Mardegan wrote: On 02.10.2015 10:29, Yann wrote: If I can add my insight ... I think some applications (not all) should be able to run on background like Facebook for example ... everybody has Facebook

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Craig Harper wrote: > I dont think you need to open any flood gates. I think we just need to > break it down. Keep the policies as they are Strict Policy or you could > call it Battery Saver Mode, this could be the standard mode that the Ubuntu > Touch uses now,

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On 02.10.2015 10:29, Yann wrote: > If I can add my insight ... I think some applications (not all) should > be able to run on background like Facebook for example ... everybody has > Facebook Messenger on other platforms, and they write messages only > through this program. The problem is that we d

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

I dont think you need to open any flood gates. I think we just need to break it down. Keep the policies as they are Strict Policy or you could call it Battery Saver Mode, this could be the standard mode that the Ubuntu Touch uses now, If people want to optimise application for this mode and use a

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On 02.10.2015 09:36, Alberto Mardegan wrote: On 02.10.2015 10:29, Yann wrote: If I can add my insight ... I think some applications (not all) should be able to run on background like Facebook for example ... everybody has Facebook Messenger on other platforms, and they write messages only throug

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Benjamin Zeller wrote: > Hey all, > > I also put my thoughts inline: > >> Hey Simon, >> >> Thanks for your thoughts and ideas. Please find my suggestions and >> replies inline: >> >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Sturm Flut >> wrote: >>> >>> Good morning dear lis

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

If I can add my insight ... I think some applications (not all) should be able to run on background like Facebook for example ... everybody has Facebook Messenger on other platforms, and they write messages only through this program. The problem is that we don't have any Facebook notification (

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On 02.10.2015 09:09, Thomas Voß wrote: > > To state this clearly: I do care about those use-cases, too. However, > as saviq points out correctly: The discussion has to evolve from a > pure > "Does not work for me, change it" to a more in-depth conversation that > allows us to tackle the actual p

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

Hey all, I also put my thoughts inline: Hey Simon, Thanks for your thoughts and ideas. Please find my suggestions and replies inline: On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Sturm Flut wrote: Good morning dear list, this has been brewing for quite some time now and the discussion Krzysztof Tataradz

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Alan Pope wrote: > On 1 October 2015 at 15:52, Michał Sawicz wrote: >> I would love for us to have this discussion in a manner "I have this use >> case, how do you plan / how can we enable it in the given constraints" >> instead of plain "you don't support this, ch

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Craig Harper wrote: > Surly reserving the right, should be an informed user decision. Could we > not make it easier to choose how we want to run our phones? > > Nokia when they launched the N9, has a locked down linux distro, but once > enabling the developer mode

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

heers Phil ------------------------ On Thu, 1/10/15, Craig Harper wrote: Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing forapps" To: "Thomas Voß" Cc: "Ubuntu Touch" Date: Thursday, 1 October, 2015, 13:23

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

this feedback in a constructive way and hope to be able to give a user's perspective that will hopefully help to improve Touch, which I am liking more and more, with every update. Cheers Phil -------------------- On Thu, 1/10/15, Craig Harper wrote: Subject: Re:

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

with every update. Cheers Phil -------------------- On Thu, 1/10/15, Craig Harper wrote: Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps" To: "Thomas Voß" Cc: "Ubuntu Touch" Date: Thursday, 1 Octobe

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Thu, 2015-10-01 at 16:29 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: > I have a use case, where I sometimes want to use the terminal to open > an SSH session somewhere, launch byobu and do some stuff, then flip to > a web browser, look something up, then flip back to the ssh session, > which has now dropped because

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

We are all behind Ubuntu Touch, if where not we would not commenting on this problem. We understand that its not going to happen overnight. But this is not the first time the conversation about Multitasking has been bought up. We all understand there is good programmers and bad programmers, this

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

2015-10-01 17:53 GMT+02:00 Alan Bell : > one of the particular strengths of the Ubuntu Touch UI is that you can see > what apps are running and close the things you don't want. This is > considerably easier on Ubuntu than it is on Android (long press of the > button on the right that nobody knows

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

one of the particular strengths of the Ubuntu Touch UI is that you can see what apps are running and close the things you don't want. This is considerably easier on Ubuntu than it is on Android (long press of the button on the right that nobody knows what it does, then see your list of apps and

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On 1 October 2015 at 15:52, Michał Sawicz wrote: > I would love for us to have this discussion in a manner "I have this use > case, how do you plan / how can we enable it in the given constraints" > instead of plain "you don't support this, change it!". > > Where would you propose we track these

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

I have a use case, where I sometimes want to use the terminal to open an SSH session somewhere, launch byobu and do some stuff, then flip to a web browser, look something up, then flip back to the ssh session, which has now dropped because it has been put to sleep. yes, I know I am not being a

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

W dniu 01.10.2015 o 15:44, Roman Shchekin pisze: > First of all: > > I also really thing something should be done about this, even if you > create a user override, allowing applications to multitask in the > background. Like you give permissions for applications to use the > GPS.

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

The balanced solution would be let it to user decision. Let them decide. By Default the OS can allow background process up to 'n' numbers. Let's say 3 (this can vary depending on device specification parameters: battery capacity, screen size, CPU and memory). If user going to run beyond that thresh

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

Hi folks First of all: > I also really thing something should be done about this, even if you > create a user override, allowing applications to multitask in the > background. Like you give permissions for applications to use the GPS. > Then the battery life would be the users choice, personally

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

Hello, I want submit only one small note 2015-10-01 14:04 GMT+02:00 Thomas Voß : > Hey Simon, > > Thanks for your thoughts and ideas. Please find my suggestions and > replies inline: > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Sturm Flut > wrote: > > Good morning dear list, > > > > this has been brewing

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

Surly reserving the right, should be an informed user decision. Could we not make it easier to choose how we want to run our phones? Nokia when they launched the N9, has a locked down linux distro, but once enabling the developer mode it give you the freedom to do with the phones as we pleased.

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Craig Harper wrote: > I also really thing something should be done about this, even if you create > a user override, allowing applications to multitask in the background. Like > you give permissions for applications to use the GPS. Then the battery life > would be

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

Hey Simon, Thanks for your thoughts and ideas. Please find my suggestions and replies inline: On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Sturm Flut wrote: > Good morning dear list, > > this has been brewing for quite some time now and the discussion > Krzysztof Tataradziński started a week ago didn't lead

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

I also really thing something should be done about this, even if you create a user override, allowing applications to multitask in the background. Like you give permissions for applications to use the GPS. Then the battery life would be the users choice, personally i was looking for a Linux machin

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

Dont know if this is all programs, but i wanna be able to play some music maybe in a browser or music app and be able to switch to other scopes/apps Den 2015-10-01 kl. 13:25, skrev Alan Bell: I quite agree, even if it is a user preference it would be fine, I would choose to have multitasking w

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] The problem with "no background processing for apps"

I quite agree, even if it is a user preference it would be fine, I would choose to have multitasking when the screen is on. I find it rather frustrating on slow connections to be unable to background the web browser to let it load something while I check on other things. Alan. -- Mailing lis