Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-08 Thread Simon Fels
On 08.10.2015 16:32, Pat McGowan wrote: What does this mean in the converged world where a phone is also a desktop? That a phone still stays a phone. In the bluetooth world that doesn't change anything. The device class is just a way to tell other bluetooth devices which capabilities we have

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-08 Thread Pat McGowan
What does this mean in the converged world where a phone is also a desktop? On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Simon Fels wrote: > On 08.10.2015 15:08, Michael Zanetti wrote: > >> >> >> On 08.10.2015 14:57, Simon Fels wrote: >> >>> On 08.10.2015 14:30, Michał Sawicz wrote: >>> W dniu 08.10.20

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-08 Thread Simon Fels
On 08.10.2015 15:08, Michael Zanetti wrote: On 08.10.2015 14:57, Simon Fels wrote: On 08.10.2015 14:30, Michał Sawicz wrote: W dniu 08.10.2015 o 14:00, Simon Fels pisze: A tablet stays a tablet. Having a modem included doesn't make it a phone. The Bluetooth device class is meant to stay stat

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-08 Thread Michał Sawicz
W dniu 08.10.2015 o 15:49, Simon Fels pisze: > On 08.10.2015 15:03, Michał Sawicz wrote: >> W dniu 08.10.2015 o 14:57, Simon Fels pisze: >>> That would a use case, yes, but still really a workaround for a corner >>> case. >>> >>> However that wouldn't work with our implementation playing the role o

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-08 Thread Simon Fels
On 08.10.2015 15:03, Michał Sawicz wrote: W dniu 08.10.2015 o 14:57, Simon Fels pisze: That would a use case, yes, but still really a workaround for a corner case. However that wouldn't work with our implementation playing the role of the audio gateway strictly requires a modem with voice call

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-08 Thread Michael Zanetti
On 08.10.2015 14:57, Simon Fels wrote: > On 08.10.2015 14:30, Michał Sawicz wrote: >> W dniu 08.10.2015 o 14:00, Simon Fels pisze: >>> A tablet stays a tablet. Having a modem included doesn't make it a >>> phone. The Bluetooth device class is meant to stay static for one device >>> forever. No dy

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-08 Thread Michał Sawicz
W dniu 08.10.2015 o 14:57, Simon Fels pisze: > That would a use case, yes, but still really a workaround for a corner > case. > > However that wouldn't work with our implementation playing the role of > the audio gateway strictly requires a modem with voice call > capabilities.. no way to inject y

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-08 Thread Simon Fels
On 08.10.2015 14:30, Michał Sawicz wrote: W dniu 08.10.2015 o 14:00, Simon Fels pisze: A tablet stays a tablet. Having a modem included doesn't make it a phone. The Bluetooth device class is meant to stay static for one device forever. No dynamic changes. It is your first point to find out what

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-08 Thread Michał Sawicz
W dniu 08.10.2015 o 14:00, Simon Fels pisze: > A tablet stays a tablet. Having a modem included doesn't make it a > phone. The Bluetooth device class is meant to stay static for one device > forever. No dynamic changes. It is your first point to find out what > kind of Bluetooth device you've found

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-08 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, Am Donnerstag, den 08.10.2015, 14:04 +0200 schrieb Simon Fels: > On 08.10.2015 13:49, Oliver Grawert wrote: > > hi, > > > > Am Donnerstag, den 08.10.2015, 12:48 +0200 schrieb Simon Fels: > > > >> So what about just extending this one which comes either from the device > >> tarball (krillin, ar

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-08 Thread Simon Fels
On 08.10.2015 13:49, Oliver Grawert wrote: hi, Am Donnerstag, den 08.10.2015, 12:48 +0200 schrieb Simon Fels: So what about just extending this one which comes either from the device tarball (krillin, arale) or from the ubuntu-touch-session package (flo, mako)? if anyone works on this, it wo

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-08 Thread Simon Fels
On 08.10.2015 13:34, Michał Sawicz wrote: W dniu 08.10.2015 o 12:48, Simon Fels pisze: On 08.10.2015 12:16, Michał Sawicz wrote: W dniu 08.10.2015 o 11:54, Michael Zanetti pisze: Not sure if the Android layer is really the place to go. What happens when we run on an x86 based tablet which does

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-08 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, Am Donnerstag, den 08.10.2015, 13:34 +0200 schrieb Michał Sawicz: > is a 10" tablet > with GSM a phone or a tablet?). that must be a phoblet :) ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-08 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, Am Donnerstag, den 08.10.2015, 12:48 +0200 schrieb Simon Fels: > So what about just extending this one which comes either from the device > tarball (krillin, arale) or from the ubuntu-touch-session package (flo, > mako)? > if anyone works on this, it would be nice to unify this (i.e. make

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-08 Thread Michał Sawicz
W dniu 08.10.2015 o 12:48, Simon Fels pisze: > On 08.10.2015 12:16, Michał Sawicz wrote: >> W dniu 08.10.2015 o 11:54, Michael Zanetti pisze: >>> Not sure if the Android layer is really the place to go. What happens >>> when we run on an x86 based tablet which doesn't have the Android bits? >>> Wil

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-08 Thread Simon Fels
On 08.10.2015 12:16, Michał Sawicz wrote: W dniu 08.10.2015 o 11:54, Michael Zanetti pisze: Not sure if the Android layer is really the place to go. What happens when we run on an x86 based tablet which doesn't have the Android bits? Will that always have the DMI interface instead? x86 based t

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-08 Thread Michał Sawicz
W dniu 08.10.2015 o 12:37, Oliver Grawert pisze: > note that the android layer is equivalent to "device tarball", the > question is: will installs using this feature exist in a non snappy/non > touch context, note that in the snappy world *all* installs have a > device tarball (or soon device/kerne

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-08 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, Am Donnerstag, den 08.10.2015, 11:54 +0200 schrieb Michael Zanetti: > Not sure if the Android layer is really the place to go. What happens > when we run on an x86 based tablet which doesn't have the Android bits? > Will that always have the DMI interface instead? note that the android layer

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-08 Thread Michał Sawicz
W dniu 08.10.2015 o 11:54, Michael Zanetti pisze: > Not sure if the Android layer is really the place to go. What happens > when we run on an x86 based tablet which doesn't have the Android bits? > Will that always have the DMI interface instead? I agree, we need to plan for not having Android aro

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-08 Thread Michael Zanetti
Hi On 05.10.2015 18:31, Simon Fels wrote: > Hey everyone, > > while currently working on heading towards BlueZ 5.x in Ubuntu Touch I > came to the point where we need to expose what type of device we are > running on. When you start discovering other Bluetooth devices you > always get the so call

[Ubuntu-phone] Defining the form factor of an Ubuntu Touch device

2015-10-05 Thread Simon Fels
Hey everyone, while currently working on heading towards BlueZ 5.x in Ubuntu Touch I came to the point where we need to expose what type of device we are running on. When you start discovering other Bluetooth devices you always get the so call "Class of Device" back which describes what kind