Re: [Ubuntu-manual] Docs Team and Ubuntu Manual Project: Toward future cooperation

2010-06-15 Thread Phil Bull
Hi Phill, On Sun, 2010-06-13 at 03:13 +0100, Phillip Whiteside wrote: [...] > Yes, we do have to make allowances for those who do not have internet > access speeds / limits to allow the downloading of many images, so we > must bear those in mind. Can the docs team also have a look at Rule508 > tha

Re: [Ubuntu-manual] Docs Team and Ubuntu Manual Project: Toward future cooperation

2010-06-14 Thread Phillip Whiteside
The ubuntu-manual guys have been very successful in getting screenshots into the docs. It's a lead that ubuntu-docs should follow, so long as we don't go overboard and start (over-)using screenshots in inappropriate places. I think we should work on cracking this particular issue once and for all t

Re: [Ubuntu-manual] Docs Team and Ubuntu Manual Project: Toward future cooperation

2010-06-12 Thread Phil Bull
Hi guys, I'm back from my break now. Where did we get to with this discussion? Did the planned meeting occur, and if so, are there any logs that I can review? I'll reply to a couple of points that were made a while ago. On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 08:10 +0100, Matthew East wrote: > > Our team feels t

Re: [Ubuntu-manual] Docs Team and Ubuntu Manual Project: Toward future cooperation

2010-05-18 Thread Shaun McCance
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 10:41 -0400, Adam Sommer wrote: > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Matthew East > wrote: > > > For my part, I was hoping to provoke a very constructive > discussion > with my post about specific improvements that can be made an

Re: [Ubuntu-manual] Docs Team and Ubuntu Manual Project: Toward future cooperation

2010-05-18 Thread Kevin Godby
Hello, Matthew. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:10 AM, Matthew East wrote: > I think the critical question for us to consider is whether the > "differences" which you set out below are really differences or not. > In other words, are these fundamental ideological differences which > justify having sepa

Re: [Ubuntu-manual] Docs Team and Ubuntu Manual Project: Toward future cooperation

2010-05-18 Thread Ilya Haykinson
Hi Matthew, Thank you for the thoughtful response. > At the same time, there are some differences in our approaches as well. > > > My strong view is that all of the points which you've identified as > "differences" between the projects are simply things which ubuntu-doc > could be doing better

Re: [Ubuntu-manual] Docs Team and Ubuntu Manual Project: Toward future cooperation

2010-05-18 Thread Adam Sommer
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Matthew East wrote: > > > For my part, I was hoping to provoke a very constructive discussion > with my post about specific improvements that can be made and ways for > collaboration. I think that Kevin's post had the same intention. Let's > stick to that. > I

Re: [Ubuntu-manual] Docs Team and Ubuntu Manual Project: Toward future cooperation

2010-05-18 Thread Matthew East
Hi Martin, On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Martin Owens wrote: > It appears for all the world like a team bogged down in it's own very > heavy bureaucracy, historical and legacy technical implementation and an > old school approach to contributor involvement which is not engaging. > > What we ha

Re: [Ubuntu-manual] Docs Team and Ubuntu Manual Project: Toward future cooperation

2010-05-18 Thread Martin Owens
Hey Matthew, On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 08:10 +0100, Matthew East wrote: > So I think that the answer here *is* for us all to work on > improvements to ubuntu-doc's processes, to improve help.ubuntu.com, > and to collaborate on material. Specifically, I think that we could > develop a specification/blu

Re: [Ubuntu-manual] Docs Team and Ubuntu Manual Project: Toward future cooperation

2010-05-18 Thread Matthew East
Hi Kevin, On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Kevin Godby wrote: > On behalf of the Ubuntu Manual team, we wanted to reach out to you to > start reconciling our two teams' approaches to creating great Ubuntu > documentation. Thanks for the positive, thoughtful and constructive email, and sorry for

Re: [Ubuntu-manual] Docs Team and Ubuntu Manual Project: Toward future cooperation

2010-05-17 Thread Jim Campbell
Hi All, On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:41 AM, Kevin Godby wrote: > Dear Documentation Team, > > On behalf of the Ubuntu Manual team, we wanted to reach out to you to > start reconciling our two teams' approaches to creating great Ubuntu > documentation. > > First, a word of deep respect for your work

Re: [Ubuntu-manual] Docs Team and Ubuntu Manual Project: Toward future cooperation

2010-05-17 Thread Shaun McCance
On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 17:31 -0500, Jim Campbell wrote: > Hi All, > > Time requires that I be brief, but I've added some notes to your wiki > page about a support and learning center [0]. Mozilla Sumo seems to > cover most all of what you've requested, and the site code is freely > available. I'd

Re: [Ubuntu-manual] Docs Team and Ubuntu Manual Project: Toward future cooperation

2010-05-16 Thread Adam Sommer
Hello all, On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Kevin Godby wrote: > > > What are your thoughts on this matter? How do you think that we can > work together? We think that the solution of 'everyone join the > existing Docs Team process' is not directly workable, since it's clear > we have some cult

[Ubuntu-manual] Docs Team and Ubuntu Manual Project: Toward future cooperation

2010-05-13 Thread Kevin Godby
Dear Documentation Team, On behalf of the Ubuntu Manual team, we wanted to reach out to you to start reconciling our two teams' approaches to creating great Ubuntu documentation. First, a word of deep respect for your work. The Ubuntu Manual Project (UMP) would not exist without you -- we simply