Re: [strawman] partual support of apps for policykit for Jaunty

2008-11-21 Thread Martin Pitt
Markus Hitter [2008-11-20 17:01 +0100]: > Well, if you edit a system file as a normal user, you'd have to provide > the password, don't you? That's like "vi" vs. "sudo vi". Right, but sudo always times out quickly, whereas PK privileges potentially stay forever. Also, sudo is a mechanism to run o

Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions

2008-11-21 Thread Alex Cockell
Hi folks, It's good to see this being discussed; I am your putative new user to Ubuntu and Linux in general - although I work 2nd line tech support (corporate IT) - Lotus Notes and Wintel, so I know the problem resolution/reporting flow from that end. I also bought my machine preinstalled with 8

Are file permissions in files on external devices silly?

2008-11-21 Thread tchomby
A friend of mine connected a USB external hard drive up to his ubuntu laptop. It had previously been used on a mac, and had some files on it. He can't access the files because the owner is the username used on the mac, different to the username on the ubuntu laptop, and the file permissions are

Setting up Ubuntu 8.04.1 development system with no Internet

2008-11-21 Thread Terry Sikes
Hi all, What's the recommended method for setting up an Ubuntu 8.04 system as a development station with no Internet access? I installed from CD, and got gcc, but no g++, gcj or other goodies. I'd also like to get Octave going on the system, but it didn't appear to be on the distribution CD. The D

Re: Setting up Ubuntu 8.04.1 development system with no Internet

2008-11-21 Thread Alan Pope
2008/11/21 Terry Sikes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I did run across the idea of apt repositories on DVD, is anyone aware of > such .iso files for developer tools (8.04 compatible)? It'd be great to just > use Synaptic with a DVD. > Repo on a usb disk/stick? That way you can take it to another machine t

Re: Are file permissions in files on external devices silly?

2008-11-21 Thread Aaron Toponce
How would you propose to solve it? Change the permissions on files to the person logged in? Add a user account with the matching UID to match those found on the files, then log that user in? Change world permissions on the file, so everyone can access it? I think you can see the silly-ness behind t

Re: Are file permissions in files on external devices silly?

2008-11-21 Thread Remco
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Aaron Toponce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What your brother doesn't realize, is that when you take files from > system to system, OS to OS, you're going to encounter these headaches. > It's just the way these things go. It doesn't have to. Ubuntu knows which devic

Re: Are file permissions in files on external devices silly?

2008-11-21 Thread Andrew Sayers
I wouldn't normally comment, but I think it's important to put some perspective to the earlier argument about users creating noise on the list. When someone with an @ubuntu.com address responds to a reasonable question with a flame like this, without actually suggesting a solution to the important

Re: Are file permissions in files on external devices silly?

2008-11-21 Thread System User
This is a user support issue. Ubuntu already has a user group for accessing removeable devices. Clearly his brother is not a member of this group. Add him to it. Next time you he should email ubuntu-users for support, not the developer list. On Fri, 21 Nov 2008, Remco wrote: > On Fri, Nov 21,

Re: Are file permissions in files on external devices silly?

2008-11-21 Thread Jesse Ruffin
The real answer is to use mount options. ADFS, AFFS, FAT (and variants), HFS, HPFS, ISO9660, and UDF all support the 'gid' option. Combine that with the 'users' option, and anyone could mount and access files as long as they were in the right group (floppy, plugdev and disk come to mind. As fo

Re: Are file permissions in files on external devices silly?

2008-11-21 Thread tchomby
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 08:40:38AM -0700, Aaron Toponce wrote: > How would you propose to solve it? Change the permissions on files to > the person logged in? Add a user account with the matching UID to match > those found on the files, then log that user in? Change world > permissions on the file,

Cairo-directfb package

2008-11-21 Thread Steve Lhomme
Hi, I am trying to use the cairo-directfb package (and the -dev version). It works fine with a manually-made Makefile. But when I try to use libtool it never works. I tried all sorts of settings to libtool (so I can use kdevelop to debug my thing) but so far no luck. I tried -static to link ev

Re: Are file permissions in files on external devices silly?

2008-11-21 Thread Dan Colish
I think you're looking at this the wrong way. There are a number of ways already available to have the functionality you seek. You will need to leverage both the HAL fdi for the device you're trying to automount and a script to fix the permissions on a that disk. This is what makes linux so great,

Re: Are file permissions in files on external devices silly?

2008-11-21 Thread Martin Pitt
Jesse Ruffin [2008-11-21 11:46 -0500]: > The real answer is to use mount options. Exactly. > ADFS, AFFS, FAT (and variants), HFS, HPFS, ISO9660, and UDF all > support the 'gid' option. Combine that with the 'users' option You mean the "uid" option, like the vfat and ntfs file systems have. > As

Re: Are file permissions in files on external devices silly?

2008-11-21 Thread Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2008/11/21 Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > For removable drives, once the kernel supports uid=/gid= options for > hfs+ (Mac) and ext3 (other Linuxes), they can be trivially applied > automatically in hal if a device is detected as removable. The hard > part is to get kernel support for it. Thi

Re: Are file permissions in files on external devices silly?

2008-11-21 Thread Chris Coulson
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 19:33 +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: > Jesse Ruffin [2008-11-21 11:46 -0500]: > > The real answer is to use mount options. > > Exactly. > > > ADFS, AFFS, FAT (and variants), HFS, HPFS, ISO9660, and UDF all > > support the 'gid' option. Combine that with the 'users' option > > Yo

Re: Are file permissions in files on external devices silly?

2008-11-21 Thread Felipe Figueiredo
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 19:42 +0100, Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk wrote: > 2008/11/21 Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > For removable drives, once the kernel supports uid=/gid= options for > > hfs+ (Mac) and ext3 (other Linuxes), they can be trivially applied > > automatically in hal if a device i

Re: Setting up Ubuntu 8.04.1 development system with no Internet

2008-11-21 Thread Przemysław Kulczycki
Alan Pope pisze: > 2008/11/21 Terry Sikes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> I did run across the idea of apt repositories on DVD, is anyone aware of >> such .iso files for developer tools (8.04 compatible)? It'd be great to just >> use Synaptic with a DVD. >> > > Repo on a usb disk/stick? That way you can t

Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions

2008-11-21 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 10:50 +, Alex Cockell wrote: > As well as a field-test team, may I suggest that updates are subject to > a release-candidate-with-positive-signoff-and-test-battery process? All updates go to the -proposed repo. If any regressions are reported against these -proposed upda

Re: Are file permissions in files on external devices silly?

2008-11-21 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 12:46 +, tchomby wrote: > He could > even create a new user with the username used on the mac and access them that > way. No, that wouldn't work. The username doesn't matter. The user ID is what matters. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com

Re: Are file permissions in files on external devices silly?

2008-11-21 Thread Sam Tygier
Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk wrote: > This should not be done unconditionally. The mac os solution is to have a 'enforce permissions on this device' option (in the info/properties of the device). maybe this could be implemented in a similar way to the .is_audio_player file [0]. A safer way to back

Re: Are file permissions in files on external devices silly?

2008-11-21 Thread Phillip Susi
Martin Pitt wrote: > For removable drives, once the kernel supports uid=/gid= options for > hfs+ (Mac) and ext3 (other Linuxes), they can be trivially applied > automatically in hal if a device is detected as removable. The hard > part is to get kernel support for it. They already are applied by h

Re: Setting up Ubuntu 8.04.1 development system with no Internet

2008-11-21 Thread Manish
Terry Sikes wrote: > What's the recommended method for setting up an Ubuntu 8.04 system as > a development station with no Internet access? I installed from CD, > and got gcc, but no g++, gcj or other goodies. I'd also like to get > Octave going on the system, but it didn't appear to be on the