Re: A tricky situation in malone bug 60995

2007-10-23 Thread Alexander Sack
On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 05:04:03PM +1300, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > On Oct 23, 2007, at 1:36 AM, Alexander Sack wrote: >> >> On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 12:59:13PM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: >> ... >>> Another consideration here is that changes to the defaults like this need >>> to be discussed w

UI for backports usage

2007-10-23 Thread Daniel Holbach
Hello everybody, I had some discussions with John Dong and João Pinto and both acknowledged the fact that there's a need for installing just a select few backport packages and not all of them. Let's imagine that somebody has an interest in just the latest version of blender on his stable system.

xulrunner-1.9 to become default gecko provider in hardy

2007-10-23 Thread Alexander Sack
Hi all, as you might have noticed, we (finally) ship firefox-3.0 based on xulrunner-1.9 in gutsy universe. We did this not only to ship the latest firefox beta, but more importantly to allow upstream developers to take a glance at the new xulrunner, how its packaged, how the new gecko API feels l

Re: UI for backports usage

2007-10-23 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:10:06 +0200 Daniel Holbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hello everybody, > >I had some discussions with John Dong and João Pinto and both >acknowledged the fact that there's a need for installing just a select >few backport packages and not all of them. > >Let's imagine that s

Re: xulrunner-1.9 to become default gecko provider in hardy

2007-10-23 Thread Alexander Sack
On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 01:17:12PM +0200, Alexander Sack wrote: > Hi all, > > as you might have noticed, we (finally) ship firefox-3.0 based on > xulrunner-1.9 in gutsy universe. The question was raised: does it make sense to do such a switch in a long term release cycle? Usually I would say no,

Re: UI for backports usage

2007-10-23 Thread Teemu Heinämäki
What about getdeb with apturl? It can remove the external repositorys from sources.list after you install from there if you wish. Maybe it can be modified to do so automatically? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptFirefoxFileHandler ti, 2007-10-23 kello 07:22 -0400, Scott Kitterman kirjoitti: > On Tue, 23

Re: UI for backports usage

2007-10-23 Thread John Dong
No, IMO the UI, underneath, should be adding the entire backports repository, just all packages pinned back. A UI should be able to unpin specific versions of each backport to let it through, but not let through other backports unless needed to satisfy dependences... An apturl approach would requi

Re: UI for backports usage

2007-10-23 Thread João Pinto
Hello, about the UI, there is already a specification which cover most of the requirements: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThirdPartyApt The pinning support is described but not implemented, I did exchange several mails with the GApti author in order to motivate him to implement the pinning, I have failed

Re: OpenOffice.org 2.2 release candidate 2 available for testing

2007-10-23 Thread Peter Mann
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 07:15:19AM +, Conrad Knauer wrote: > Erm... I have no idea how to use chroot ^_-; (I'm really more of an > advanced user than a developer :) debootstrap -- 5o Peter.Mann at tuke.sk -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modif

Re: UI for backports usage

2007-10-23 Thread Peter Mann
On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 09:23:33AM -0400, John Dong wrote: > An apturl approach would require the archive to create a separate section for > each package and a meta "all" section like Debian Backports, which I guess can > be done but is more complex. http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/etch-back

Latin support in babel for TeX Live 2007-10

2007-10-23 Thread Charles P. Schaum
Please note the following: I had used the babel package with TeTeX on FreeBSD, Ubuntu (thru feisty) and MikTeX on Windows with latin, german, and polutonikogreek in addition to english. Had no problems. The TeXLive distribution of LaTeX in 7.10 gutsy currently fails on /usr/share/tetex-texmf/tex/

Re: UI for backports usage

2007-10-23 Thread Milan
There's obviously a need for a new infrastructure/UI. Since GDebi and apt-url are to be disabled in future versions (which I approve of), we should find a way to allow the user to select trusted repositories and easily install software from there, either on a replace-alla-installed-packages basis o

Easier and more reliable ISO downloads, with error correction

2007-10-23 Thread Anthony Bryan
Hi, Have you thought about using Metalinks for your ISO downloads? It's an XML format used by download apps, and contains the ways to get a file (mirrors/P2P) along with info for automatic error detection/recovery (checksums) and other stuff. It makes things simpler for the user, since they don't

Re: A tricky situation in malone bug 60995

2007-10-23 Thread Phillip Susi
Scott Kitterman wrote: > Well you found the bug, so you do. Your choice. Linux is like that (the > choice part). > > Not losing data regularly is a big win for me. You're saying it's better for > people to lose data than to have to learn to use a program slightly > differently. I fail to un

Re: State of cleanup-audio-jumble

2007-10-23 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi all, Alexandre Franke [2007-07-23 15:15 +0200]: > There is a spec [1] that was announced to be implemented for Feisty. > The goal of this spec is to "fix the Linux audio mess once and for > all". The spec mainly consists in getting rid of esd and use > pulseaudio instead. As far as I can see, e

Re: A tricky situation in malone bug 60995

2007-10-23 Thread Phillip Susi
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > There is no dataloss for Web sites that allow caching, but there is > dataloss for sites that use HTTPS, such as wiki.ubuntu.com. Firefox Launchpad uses https and I guess it allows caching because form data is retained on back/forward there. I don't see why firefox

Re: UI for backports usage

2007-10-23 Thread Kristian Erik Hermansen
On 10/23/07, Daniel Holbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had some discussions with John Dong and Jo?o Pinto and both > acknowledged the fact that there's a need for installing just a select > few backport packages and not all of them. > > Let's imagine that somebody has an interest in just the la

Re: UI for backports usage

2007-10-23 Thread Anthony Yarusso
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote: > On 10/23/07, Daniel Holbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I had some discussions with John Dong and Jo?o Pinto and both >> acknowledged the fact that there's a need for installing just a >> select few backport packages

Re: UI for backports usage

2007-10-23 Thread John Dong
Backports so far have been marketed/branded as Backports, and on Launchpad and the Wiki are both referred to as Backports. If we want to change the name of the project to facilitate user familiarity, it has to be done across the board. The project is fueled primarily by user input (i.e. what packag

Re: UI for backports usage

2007-10-23 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:10 PM, Daniel Holbach wrote: ... Let's imagine that somebody has an interest in just the latest version of blender on his stable system. That user does not want to upgrade to all packages available in the backports repository, but just the backported version of blender. Ho

Re: UI for backports usage

2007-10-23 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday 23 October 2007 19:22, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:10 PM, Daniel Holbach wrote: > > ... > > Let's imagine that somebody has an interest in just the latest version > > of blender on his stable system. That user does not want to upgrade to > > all packages available

Re: UI for backports usage

2007-10-23 Thread Michael R. Head
On Tue, 2007-10-23 at 20:13 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > How about apt/adept/nautilus changes so that only packages installed from > backports can be upgraded by backports. Then it would be safe to just enable > the repository and install things you wanted from there. There would also > nee

Re: UI for backports usage

2007-10-23 Thread Reinhard Tartler
John Dong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > No, IMO the UI, underneath, should be adding the entire backports repository, > just all packages pinned back. This does not necessarily need pinning via /etc/apt/preferences. Apt has a feature which does something similar. Please compare http://archive.