Re: Compiz enabled by default

2007-09-14 Thread Alexandre Strube
2007/9/14, Wenzhuo Zhang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Having just seen the slashdot story about the decision to ship Gutsy with > Compiz enabled by default, I'd like to request here to provide a boot option > and an installation option to disable Compiz compositing. I am one of the > users who will be

python-opengl regression from Feisty -- more opinions desperately needed

2007-09-14 Thread Alex Jones
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyopengl/+bug/135736 Please test... this is killing me :( -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss

Better Remote Upgrade Capabilities - Ideas?

2007-09-14 Thread Kevin Fries
For a long time, I used to use Fedora exclusively. The cleaner more user friendly Ubuntu desktop has been much better for me as a consultant in every way sans one. Remote update between versions. Here is how I would do this in Fedora: First I would go to a server, and dump the contents of the c

Better Disaster Recovery

2007-09-14 Thread Kevin Fries
I just sent a remote install process inquiry, but I have a second semi-related idea I would like to begin working on and contribute. If I do this right (a rarity for me), these two ideas could be combined into one... One of the holly grails of enterprise network management is data and system reco

Re: Better Remote Upgrade Capabilities - Ideas?

2007-09-14 Thread Chris Warburton
I find that Debian is the most consistent through upgrades, if no strange customisations have been made then "apt-get dist-upgrade" can go from version to version no problem. Ubuntu introduces some issues with this that makes the update manager and metapackages like ubuntu-desktop needed. I have p

Re: Better Remote Upgrade Capabilities - Ideas?

2007-09-14 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, Am Freitag, den 14.09.2007, 10:43 -0600 schrieb Kevin Fries: > The version upgrade process from one version of Ubuntu to another has > been troublesome for the most part. I am beginning to trust it less and > less. did you use the update-manager way [1] as we recommend for that or plain apt-

Re: Better Remote Upgrade Capabilities - Ideas?

2007-09-14 Thread Kevin Fries
On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 19:20 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: > hi, > Am Freitag, den 14.09.2007, 10:43 -0600 schrieb Kevin Fries: > > The version upgrade process from one version of Ubuntu to another has > > been troublesome for the most part. I am beginning to trust it less and > > less. > did you

Re: Better Disaster Recovery

2007-09-14 Thread Martin Owens
I have some ideas I can put forwards with regard to backups on linux enterprise networks I envisage the following: * Avahi based service which lets all computers on the network know there is a backup system or systems in place. * Ability to boot from the same or different machine via network or

Re: Better Remote Upgrade Capabilities - Ideas?

2007-09-14 Thread Kevin Fries
Chris, You are right, but the problem is actually at the core of the DEB/APT system. It will not get fixed any time soon. And for the record, RPM is not any better, it suffers from the same problem. The core of the issue stems from the fact that software exists in a n-dimension matrix. This ma

Re: Better Remote Upgrade Capabilities - Ideas?

2007-09-14 Thread Alexandre Strube
2007/9/14, Kevin Fries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: The easiest way around the problem is a fresh install. The problem is > Debian (and thus Ubuntu) does not make this easy. I feel that stealing > the reinstall procedures from Fedora could resolve this problem without > resorting to overhauling the APT

Re: Better Remote Upgrade Capabilities - Ideas?

2007-09-14 Thread Michael R. Head
On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 12:33 -0600, Kevin Fries wrote: > Chris, > > You are right, but the problem is actually at the core of the DEB/APT > system. It will not get fixed any time soon. And for the record, RPM > is not any better, it suffers from the same problem. > > The core of the issue stems

Re: Better Remote Upgrade Capabilities - Ideas?

2007-09-14 Thread Phillip Susi
Kevin Fries wrote: > For a long time, I used to use Fedora exclusively. The cleaner more > user friendly Ubuntu desktop has been much better for me as a consultant > in every way sans one. Remote update between versions. > > Here is how I would do this in Fedora: > Step nine, I would wait for

Re: Better Remote Upgrade Capabilities - Ideas?

2007-09-14 Thread Soren Hansen
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 10:43:32AM -0600, Kevin Fries wrote: > Here is how I would do this in Fedora: [... snip a bunch of deep dark Fedora magic ...] > The version upgrade process from one version of Ubuntu to another has > been troublesome for the most part. Are you really serious? "do-release

LTS to LTS upgrade path

2007-09-14 Thread Onno Benschop
Since installing Dapper for several clients I've been wondering about the path they need to take to migrate to the next LTS. (I realise that there is a whole different discussion here about whether they should upgrade or not - but at some stage that discussion stops when security upgrades are no lo

Re: LTS to LTS upgrade path

2007-09-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday 14 September 2007 22:43, Onno Benschop wrote: > Now I understand that resources are limited and that we're a little way > away from needing this functionality, but if I look back at the gap > between Edgy and Feisty, it was all over way too soon, so I suspect that > it would be useful to