Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-12 Thread Christof Krüger
On Mon, 2007-06-11 at 19:56 -0500, Mark Reitblatt wrote: > On 6/11/07, Alex Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fine. Stick with Kilobytes, but strictly define it as 10^3 bytes. Just > > choose one over the other and be consistent. > > That's not "consistent". Kilobyte has always meant 2^10 bytes

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-12 Thread Onno Benschop
On 12/06/07 15:37, Christof Krüger wrote: > Just because something has been done wrong for a long time doesn't make > it right. People who know the inconsistencies get used to them and do > not want to change it because it may be inconvenient for them or it > simply sounds stupid to them (what an a

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-12 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 09:37 +0200, Christof Krüger wrote: > Another "historic" example is a floppy-MB: > A 1.44MB floppy disc can store 1,474,560 Bytes, that is 1440 KiB and > 1.40625 MiB or approximately 1475KB or 1.48MB with kilo=10^3 and > mega=10^6. > However, these floppies were known as "1.4

Re: Announcing wineui

2007-06-12 Thread (``-_-´´) -- Fernando
You are right. its the FZ2 version that I love. I cant get used to the FZ3 design On 6/11/07, Joshua A. Andler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By any chance have you tried FileZilla 3 on Windows? It's the same thing > as the one on Linux (although slower on Windows). > > FZ3 is a full rewrite, this i

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-12 Thread Christof Krüger
On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 09:24 +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: > On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 09:37 +0200, Christof Krüger wrote: > > > Another "historic" example is a floppy-MB: > > A 1.44MB floppy disc can store 1,474,560 Bytes, that is 1440 KiB and > > 1.40625 MiB or approximately 1475KB or 1.48MB with

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-12 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 13:01 +0200, Christof Krüger wrote: > Let me give you an example from the real world: > There was a bridge to build over the river Rhine connecting Switzerland > and Germany. You have to know that sea levels are defined differently in > both countries so if you plan to build

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-12 Thread Laurent
Scott James Remnant a écrit : > On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 13:01 +0200, Christof Krüger wrote: > >> Let me give you an example from the real world: >> There was a bridge to build over the river Rhine connecting Switzerland >> and Germany. You have to know that sea levels are defined differently in >> b

Debug symbol server

2007-06-12 Thread Jon Smirl
Firefox has a new symbol server that can automatically include symbol data on a crash even if the user doesn't have debug info installed. Of course it will only work if your net is connected. http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/blog/2007-06-11/debugging-official-builds-or-how-cool-is-the-mozilla-symbol-s

Re: Debug symbol server

2007-06-12 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi, Jon Smirl [2007-06-12 9:56 -0400]: > Firefox has a new symbol server that can automatically include > symbol data on a crash even if the user doesn't have debug info > installed. Of course it will only work if your net is connected. > > http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/blog/2007-06-11/debugging-

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-12 Thread Alex Jones
On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 09:24 +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: > The difference is a sufficiently small percentage, that most users will > not care. No, like I said in my earlier post, the error grows quickly. As 1.024^x, in fact. x = 1 kibi vs. kilo 2.4% x = 2 mebi vs. mega

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-12 Thread Ian Jackson
shirish writes ("Using standardized SI prefixes"): > Please look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix . Urgh, these things are ugly and an abomination. We should avoid them. Ian. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubs

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-12 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 15:50 +0100, Alex Jones wrote: > On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 09:24 +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: > > The difference is a sufficiently small percentage, that most users will > > not care. > > No, like I said in my earlier post, the error grows quickly. As 1.024^x, > in fact. >

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-12 Thread (``-_-´´) -- Fernando
Actually bandwidth is mesured in bits per second and no bytes per second On 6/12/07, Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Bandwidth should be quoted in true SI units over a metric of time, >e.g. kilobytes-per-second (e.g. the average UK DSL upload speed is >250kbps == 250,0

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-12 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 16:50 +0100, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote: > Actually bandwidth is mesured in bits per second and no bytes per second > > On 6/12/07, Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Bandwidth should be quoted in true SI units over a metric of time, > >e.g. kilobytes

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-12 Thread Felipe Sateler
Christof Krüger wrote: > Let me give you an example from the real world: > There was a bridge to build over the river Rhine connecting Switzerland > and Germany. You have to know that sea levels are defined differently in > both countries so if you plan to build a bridge you have to take it into >

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-12 Thread Christof Krüger
On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 12:54 -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote: > I fail to see the relationship between "different reference points" > and "screwing the calculation". In this case there was no ambiguity, > engineers knew exactly what to do, but screwed up. Its like saying someone > screwed up converting

Embuntu

2007-06-12 Thread Kevin Fries
WARNING: LONG POST! --- I work a research and development arm of a Japanese phone company. We are often asked to build prototypes of new devices, and our first tool out of the box is nearly always Linux. Up until this point, most of our prototypes have been built either from a cus

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-12 Thread Ben Finney
Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This is a strong advocation for using powers of ten everywhere, and > abolishing the use of powers of two multiples altogether, no? Nothing needs to be abolished but inconsistency. The same good would be had by *knowing the difference*, and differ

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-12 Thread Ben Finney
Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 15:50 +0100, Alex Jones wrote: > > > On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 09:24 +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: > > Especially nowadays with terabyte disks coming out and hitting the > > consumer market, there is *no place* for 10% of ambi

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007-06-12 Thread Jan Claeys
Op dinsdag 12-06-2007 om 15:52 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Ian Jackson: > shirish writes ("Using standardized SI prefixes"): > > Please look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix . > > Urgh, these things are ugly and an abomination. We should avoid them. They aren't more ugly tha