Op donderdag 27-08-2009 om 12:59 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Paul
Smith:
> If it wasn't one of the most well-known programs in the
> world would you guess that "Quicken" was a program for handling your
> finances?
Well... it's printed on the paper box you bought... ;-)
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I think most people are missing the point, how many Windows users know
even to format their system and re-install? My guess is less than 20%.
As far as general users are concerned it is about, getting things done
and stop at that. These kind of technical issues and specific setups
that you are
Here is another reason.
The documentation is lacking, big gaps and holes in it. Take a look at
help.ubuntu.com and lets just choose something at random.
Try find a clear, concise example of how to configure multiple public
facing IP addresses/ethernet boards in 9.04 KVM. Not there.
Want anothe
28 August 2009 19:07
To: McManus Paul - GD
Cc: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: RE: Why Ubuntu is not ready for prime time
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 18:30 +0100, paul.mcma...@met.police.uk wrote:
Quicken, Outlook, Powerpoint, they're all bizzare names.
Doesn't mean that Ubun
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 18:30 +0100, paul.mcma...@met.police.uk wrote:
> Quicken, Outlook, Powerpoint, they're all bizzare names.
> Doesn't mean that Ubuntu can't do one better ;-)
>
>
> I believe the menu system is better in Ubuntu than Windows, however
> all apps could do with having their funct
17:59
To: Vincent Arnoux
Cc: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: Why Ubuntu is not ready for prime time
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 18:48 +0200, Vincent Arnoux wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 18:23, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> >> I guess Jonathan Taylor is joking or trolling here
Hi,
Please reply to all when discussing on mailing lists.
Please bottom-post when discussing on (most) mainling lists.
Le jeudi 27 août 2009 à 12:16 -0400, Jonathan Taylor a écrit :
> Trolling? [...] Now, are there any other names or labels you care to
> apply to me?
>
I'm sorry if I have o
> Hey guys,
> Are you all idiots?
Yes, I am. Why?
> Or perhaps microsoft/apple employees?
No, just an idiot.
> Ubuntu is more than ready for everyday users...I know ...I continually
> switch people to Ubuntu and have started a movement to get rid of windows
> and osx from homes and businesse
> You mean non-descriptive program names like outlook, access, excel,
> power point? The problem isn't unique to Linux.
>
Certainly not unique to Linux, but an area in which there is much need
and room for improvement.
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> After the application is installed, a bubble notification guides you
> to the newly installed program by highlighting the path in the start
> menu. This part would be nice to see in our DE's.
>
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205388
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=197604
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Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Here you mention my pet peeve of FOSS: the program names. Internet
> Explorer is clear, what on earth does Firefox do? Windows Media
> Player is clear, what does Amarok do? If I need a replacement for
> Notepad, should I open VLC, Kate, Empathy, Pidgin, Kopete, or what
> else?!
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 18:59, Paul Smith wrote:
>> After the application is installed, a bubble notification guides you
>> to the newly installed program by highlighting the path in the start
>> menu. This part would be nice to see in our DE's.
>
> This enhancement would be nice, but I'm sure you'
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 18:48 +0200, Vincent Arnoux wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 18:23, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> >> I guess Jonathan Taylor is joking or trolling here, one of the main
> >> advantage of using Linux distributions for desktops is that every
> >> application is automatically categorized
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 18:23, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> I guess Jonathan Taylor is joking or trolling here, one of the main
>> advantage of using Linux distributions for desktops is that every
>> application is automatically categorized where, on Windows, every
>> application is NOT categorized...
>>
> Exactly. That's an example of how Windows organizes its menus (in case
> you didn't notice the "Start" menu reference), and it's obviously bogus.
>
> The other example (that you clipped) is how Ubuntu does it, which is
> much simpler to understand.
>
> Yet the OP raised menu organization as a th
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 19:23 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > I guess Jonathan Taylor is joking or trolling here, one of the main
> > advantage of using Linux distributions for desktops is that every
> > application is automatically categorized where, on Windows, every
> > application is NOT categorize
> I guess Jonathan Taylor is joking or trolling here, one of the main
> advantage of using Linux distributions for desktops is that every
> application is automatically categorized where, on Windows, every
> application is NOT categorized...
>
> Start->Programs->Adobe->Photoshop v.x->Photoshop
>
H
> You are the second person to tell me about these .debs, but where would a
> newb find them? What's the secret?
> I have spent weeks reading all manner of "heplful" information and
> documentation, but where are these mysterious .deb files?
> If that is the simple solution, why isn't it put out f
> I guess it might be prudent at this point to point Jonathan at some
> documentation which may help him
>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
>
> Jonathan: I would recommend installing the package
> "ubuntu-restricted-extras" which you can do in Applications ->
> Add/Remove
Hello,
Le jeudi 27 août 2009 à 18:06 +0300, Dotan Cohen a écrit :
> 2009/8/27 Jonathan Taylor :
[...]
> > terminal in emergencies. But Linix? If I go to one of the libraries of
> > programs, how can I tell one from the other? They are not categorized.
I guess Jonathan Taylor is joking or trolli
2009/8/27 Dotan Cohen :
> 2009/8/27 Jonathan Taylor :
>> I have tried Ubuntu several time over the past 5 years. I usually get so
>> frustrated that I go back to Windows XP. This week, I installed Ubuntu 9.04
>> on my Laptop. I spent yesterday trying to install Flash and Real Player 11.
>> I fa
2009/8/27 Jonathan Taylor :
> Hello Dotan,
>
> I have tried Ubuntu several time over the past 5 years. I usually get so
> frustrated that I go back to Windows XP. This week, I installed Ubuntu 9.04
> on my Laptop. I spent yesterday trying to install Flash and Real Player 11.
> I failed at both.
> Ubuntu may be a very nice OS, but until the average person can use it,
> it will not amount to much. Using Ubuntu is like buying a half built
> car. Then you have to guess at how to build the other half. All
> documentation is useless to beginners and you can't even install most
> things withou
Nathan Dorfman wrote:
>
>
>
> You're right, I wouldn't expect my mom to be able to RTFM and figure
> out how to, say, recover a corrupt grub installation or set up LVM.
> Similarly, I wouldn't expect her to be able to recover a corrupted
> registry on a Windows box without a lot of help.
I agre
On Wed, 2009-08-26 at 14:53 -0400, Nathan Dorfman wrote:
>
> P.S.: If the OP is not a troll, I don't know what is.
>
http://redenaz.deviantart.com/art/Behind-the-Keyboard-Trolls-76598407
Do NOT feed the trolls!
Hug them.
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On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 7:57 AM, Mat Tomaszewski <
mat.tomaszew...@canonical.com> wrote:
> So this is actually the only good and valid point in this, otherwise
> exaggerated, rant.
>
> I'm currently reviewing the download process on Ubuntu.com and been
> looking into various help and support optio
2009/8/26 Mat Tomaszewski :
> - Ubuntu documentation (help.ubuntu.com) – very information-rich
> resource but very beginner-unfriendly (lots of technical jargon)
> - Forums – lots of information noise, very difficult to locate the right
> thread (or even find out where to start) to someone not alre
Hi Mat,
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Mat
Tomaszewski wrote:
> I'm currently reviewing the download process on Ubuntu.com and been
> looking into various help and support options that the user is presented
> with. The non-paid choices basically are:
>
> - Ubuntu documentation (help.ubuntu.com
On Aug 26, 2009, at 6:57 AM, Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
>
> I'd personally hesitate to offer any of the above to my wife, mum, or
> anyone who I know is not deeply into "all things web". Would you? I'm
> very curious what are the experiences of people here, would be great
> to
> hear your stories an
Conrad Knauer wrote:
>
>> All documentation is useless to beginners
>>
>
> ??? And have you visited the forums?
>
>
So this is actually the only good and valid point in this, otherwise
exaggerated, rant.
I'm currently reviewing the download process on Ubuntu.com and been
looking into v
My troll-detection senses are tingling on this, but in case you are
just frustrated user, let me reply...
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Jonathan Taylor wrote:
> Ubuntu may be a very nice OS, but until the average person can use it,
> it will not amount to much.
The most difficult thing for 'a
Ubuntu may be a very nice OS, but until the average person can use it,
it will not amount to much. Using Ubuntu is like buying a half built
car. Then you have to guess at how to build the other half. All
documentation is useless to beginners and you can't even install most
things without using t
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