Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

On Mon Jun 14 11:23:03 BST 2010, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: >We're making a small step towards this in Maverick, with the ability for >application developers to submit packages for an Ubuntu version after >that version has been released. >

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ryan Oram wrote on 05/05/10 23:44: > > Ubuntu needs a change in direction. I propose that Ubuntu adopt a > development model where only the core operating system, userland, core > libraries, and desktop environment are frozen every 6 months. The > app

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

On 2010-05-06 21:42:40 +0100, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > Debian is not using public gpg servers. Instead they maintain their > own keyring shipped in the debian-keyring package. You cannot add > signatures to that from non-dd's. And DD's are only keeping real > signatures on their keys from key sign

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

On Thu, 2010-05-06 at 16:23 -0400, John Moser wrote: > Which brings us back to trusting people. I'll ignore your over the top theatrics and merely posit that perhaps solving the problem of trust can only really be tacked once you've got a firm grasp of human dignity. Most people are not out to ge

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

On 6 May 2010 21:23, John Moser wrote: > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs > wrote: > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust >> >> The thing that all packages in debian rely on to prove that they are >> authentic? > > > He said easier to trust PEOPLE.  Look at the PGP web of

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust > > The thing that all packages in debian rely on to prove that they are > authentic? He said easier to trust PEOPLE. Look at the PGP web of trust, people with dozens or hundreds of signatures

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

On 6 May 2010 20:33, John Moser wrote: > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Martin Owens wrote: > >> Work on making... easier to trust people > > hahahahahahaha. > > Hey man, I'm calling from your bank.  There's like, a problem with > your account... > > Wait, what were you suggesting again? >

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Martin Owens wrote: > Work on making... easier to trust people hahahahahahaha. Hey man, I'm calling from your bank. There's like, a problem with your account... Wait, what were you suggesting again? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discu

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

Indeed, but what you suggest is not economically relevant although it may be interesting socially. Work on making GPG keys easier to work with and easier to trust people and packages signed by people and organisations, then you can work on getting it more distributed. Martin, On Wed, 2010-05-05

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Ryan Oram wrote: [...] > > The idea of developers being better maintainers is a bit of economic > theory. My goal is to make the Linux distribution more scalable. If > developers concentrate on their packages and distributions concentrate > on the core operating sys

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

On Thu May 6 05:37:30 +, wrote: >Thinking you need to say "no offense" is generally a good sign to avoid saying >what you are considering saying if you ?>actually care to avoid offense. > >My experience is rather the opposite. Most upstreams care about developing >their computer programs (a

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 20:49 -0400, Ryan Oram wrote: > End users don't want to have to add PPAs or download .deb files off of > websites. These end users don't want constantly changing applications (and bugs) all the time either, in my experience. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-deve

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

"Ryan Oram" wrote: >It seems like a good site, but I ultimately feel it should be the >developer themselves who package the applications, as the developers >will have a much greater incentive to make working and tested packages >then the maintainers (no offense to the great work of the maintain

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

This is intentional as I am a economics/computer science major, currently writing my thesis on the economics behind the open source development model. To be frank, I feel that the current Ubuntu development model is unsound as it simply does not scale. Ryan On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Martin

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

You mean "Publishing Model" not "Development Model" There are people thinking about development models, economics, community, tools etc and this thread is not about any of it. Martin, On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 18:44 -0400, Ryan Oram wrote: > Ubuntu needs a change in direction. I propose that Ubuntu

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

On Wed, 5 May 2010 18:44:02 -0400, Ryan Oram wrote: > Ubuntu needs a change in direction. Is that so? Now back up your claim with something substantial and maybe, just maybe, someone might buy your argument. I will say, however, that you have an up-hill battle. If you are going to propose sweepi

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

I apologize for the top posting. Gmail is not the best client for this. :P The devs on Launchpad often don't have the most recent versions as the fact that users have to go through hoops to add PPA (I do not expect my dad to be able to add a PPA) limits their userbase. Increase the number of peopl

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

On 6 May 2010 02:38, Ryan Oram wrote: > All the packages I have pulled from dev PPAs have been of high > quality. In fact, most of them fix problems present in the Ubuntu > packages. > > Really only a minimal amount of review and testing should be needed. > Ubuntu would just need to require that d

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

All the packages I have pulled from dev PPAs have been of high quality. In fact, most of them fix problems present in the Ubuntu packages. Really only a minimal amount of review and testing should be needed. Ubuntu would just need to require that developers build their packages on Launchpad before

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

On 6 May 2010 02:16, Tom H wrote: > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs > wrote: >> On 6 May 2010 01:38, Brandon Holtsclaw wrote: >>> On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 20:34 -0400, Daniel Hollocher wrote: I'm pretty sure that getdeb.net and the ppa's on launchpad satisfy most cravings

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

On 6 May 2010 02:09, Ryan Oram wrote: > It seems like a good site, but I ultimately feel it should be the > developer themselves who package the applications, as the developers > will have a much greater incentive to make working and tested packages > then the maintainers (no offense to the great

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

It seems like a good site, but I ultimately feel it should be the developer themselves who package the applications, as the developers will have a much greater incentive to make working and tested packages then the maintainers (no offense to the great work of the maintainers of Ubuntu and Debian).

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > On 6 May 2010 01:38, Brandon Holtsclaw wrote: >> On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 20:34 -0400, Daniel Hollocher wrote: >>> I'm pretty sure that getdeb.net and the ppa's on launchpad satisfy >>> most cravings for rolling releases. >> >> And Debian sid

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

On 6 May 2010 01:38, Brandon Holtsclaw wrote: > On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 20:34 -0400, Daniel Hollocher wrote: >> I'm pretty sure that getdeb.net and the ppa's on launchpad satisfy >> most cravings for rolling releases. > > And Debian sid and/or Testing for that matter > And of course ubuntu+1 -- U

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

End users don't want to have to add PPAs or download .deb files off of websites. With infinityOS, users never have to leave their package management system (or Software Center really) to get programs or update them to the latest versions. This includes drivers. It works so well that I am now sugge

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 20:34 -0400, Daniel Hollocher wrote: > I'm pretty sure that getdeb.net and the ppa's on launchpad satisfy > most cravings for rolling releases. And Debian sid and/or Testing for that matter -- Brandon Holtsclaw m...@brandonholtsclaw.com http://www.brandonholtsclaw.com sig

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I'm pretty sure that getdeb.net and the ppa's on launchpad satisfy most cravings for rolling releases. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

Personally, I've been thinking about suggesting an 'updates'/'main-updates' repo, for at least commonly used applications. It would be implemented in a way in which apt wouldn't auto upgrade the program (or at least ask first), but it would be accessed by an addon maybe, to the Ubuntu Software C

Ubuntu needs a new development model

Ubuntu needs a change in direction. I propose that Ubuntu adopt a development model where only the core operating system, userland, core libraries, and desktop environment are frozen every 6 months. The applications would then be freely updated to the newest versions at all times. Package maintenan