Am 16.05.2008 um 13:05 schrieb Milosz Derezynski:
> Furthermore, does anyone know how OS X and/or other operating
> systems handle
> this issue?
On Mac OS X, you can happily create files with names Windows Explorer
can't read. Recently it happened to me with a filename with a plain
space(!)
Andrew Sayers pileofstuff.org> writes:
> Since there wasn't an NTFS expert available during the conversation,
NTFS is pretty well known and documented, especially filename handling.
Windows also do allow the creation of such filenames but it's not so
widely known how to do it. When most Windows
Andrew Sayers wrote:
> Because there are no proper standards for Windows filesystems, there's
> no common agreement about how to turn the string of bytes that make up a
> FAT filename into a string of characters. For example, a Japanese
> computer might look at a filesystem and assume that all the
This e-mail summarises a discussion in #ubuntu-motu between myself,
ScottK and persia. I'll first explain the general problem, then suggest
a messy solution to a surprisingly messy problem. Most of these ideas
are not my own, and in fact had to be explained to me at some length, so
please don't a
On Friday 16 May 2008 12:19, Mario Vukelic wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 08:24 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > FAT is a defacto standard for portable storage devices.
>
> Not true anymore, the external disks I have seen that have > 300 GB came
> with NTFS. Anyway, external disks may be a differe
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 08:24 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> FAT is a defacto standard for portable storage devices.
Not true anymore, the external disks I have seen that have > 300 GB came
with NTFS. Anyway, external disks may be a different topic altogether,
but what about the Windows system par
On 16/05/2008, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While NTFS is closely associated with Windows, FAT is a defacto standard
> for portable storage devices.
Agreed. It is not a Linux 'native' file format though.
> Making and kind of O/S assumptions about FAT
> is inherently incorrect.
On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:42:28 +0200 Milan Bouchet-Valat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
...
>Hope Ubuntu is more modest than you appear to see it. Serve the user,
>not the ideal technology you dream of in which every character is
>supported in filenames. When you're working on documents, being able to
>
On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:03:02 +0100 "Alan Milnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On 16/05/2008, Markus Hitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Prohibiting feature X here because it's forbidden there isn't a good
idea.
>
>It is in this case because of Ubuntu's target population and the fact
>the NTFS
But clearly this issue can be seen as a limitation of the FAT filesystem,
just not yet imposed at the highest level of the filesystem driver (kernel
or userland)?
Surely ext3 *would* allow a slash in a filename (i guess?), if the userland
tools would just let the filesystem driver ever receive suc
Il giorno ven, 16/05/2008 alle 11.42 +0200, Milan Bouchet-Valat ha
scritto:
>
>
> Hope Ubuntu is more modest than you appear to see it. Serve the user,
> not the ideal technology you dream of in which every character is
> supported in filenames.
I keep a copy of my working files in an usb pen.
Le vendredi 16 mai 2008 à 00:06 -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
> On Thursday 15 May 2008 21:31, Evan wrote:
> > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > I'd say that if there's a bug it's in Windows. I could see a wishlist
> > > bug against Ubuntu
Scott Kitterman pisze:
Doesn't wubi install Ubuntu into an existing Windows partition?
Exactly. And then Ubuntu will happily let you create files that you
can't read in Windows. It's weird.
It just ocurred to me that when you email files, odds are the receiver is using
Windows. Perhaps all t
Scott Kitterman pisze:
Doesn't wubi install Ubuntu into an existing Windows partition?
AFAIK wubi installs Ubuntu into a file containing an ext3 partition.
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Evan wrote:
> paths are slashes, while Windows has a considerable list (apostrophes,
> asterisks, etc).
The problem is that it doesn't have a list, there are multiple lists and
they aren't documented.
NTFS will reject some filenames, win16/win32/win64/.net/etc. will reject
others (as you hav
On 16/05/2008, Markus Hitter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Prohibiting feature X here because it's forbidden there isn't a good idea.
It is in this case because of Ubuntu's target population and the fact
the NTFS / FAT32 are not native Linux file formats. By all means allow
advanced users to turn
Am 16.05.2008 um 03:05 schrieb Evan:
> I don't know where the filename check is supposed to happen, but it
> isn't
> happening anywhere. I've tried via the cli, and via nautilus, and
> neither of
> them prevent me from using Windows-illegal characters.
... because they are perfectly legal on
On Fri, 16 May 2008 06:53:35 +0200 Mario Vukelic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>þÿOn Fri, 2008-05-16 at 00:50 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> Doesn't wubi install Ubuntu into an existing Windows partition?
>
>Exactly. And then Ubuntu will happily let you create files that you
>can't read in Windows.
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 00:50 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Doesn't wubi install Ubuntu into an existing Windows partition?
Exactly. And then Ubuntu will happily let you create files that you
can't read in Windows. It's weird.
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On Fri, 16 May 2008 06:36:54 +0200 Mario Vukelic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>þÿOn Thu, 2008-05-15 at 21:14 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> but there is nothing inherently defective with the
>> current behavior.
>
>I'd agree for any other fs, but the only reason you would use an ntfs
>partition is
On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 21:14 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> but there is nothing inherently defective with the
> current behavior.
I'd agree for any other fs, but the only reason you would use an ntfs
partition is because you want to read this in windows. Thus it makes
little sense to allow crea
On Thursday 15 May 2008 21:31, Evan wrote:
> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> > I'd say that if there's a bug it's in Windows. I could see a wishlist
> > bug against Ubuntu to provide a way to check for this/suggest changes to
> > avoid problematic
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I'd say that if there's a bug it's in Windows. I could see a wishlist bug
> against Ubuntu to provide a way to check for this/suggest changes to avoid
> problematic filenames, but there is nothing inherently defective w
On Thu, 15 May 2008 20:29:44 -0400 Evan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Which package would this be filed against?
>
I'd say that if there's a bug it's in Windows. I could see a wishlist bug
against Ubuntu to provide a way to check for this/suggest changes to avoid
problematic filenames, but there i
A quick google and search of launchpad reveals no similar reports.
I don't know where the filename check is supposed to happen, but it isn't
happening anywhere. I've tried via the cli, and via nautilus, and neither of
them prevent me from using Windows-illegal characters.
Which package handles th
On 16/05/08 08:29, Evan wrote:
> Which package would this be filed against?
Well, that depends on how you are producing this particular issue. For
example, if you are mounting the partition yourself, then for example,
/sbin/mount.ntfs comes from ntfs-3g, but if you're seeing this in
Nautilus with
I've been testing it on an external drive.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/230906
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:36 PM, xt knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You can file a bug without a particular package. This does seem like
> it could be dangerous, if one of the characters used was reserv
Which package would this be filed against?
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Onno Benschop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 16/05/08 07:44, Evan wrote:
> > After trying to transfer some files from Ubuntu to Windows today, I
> > discovered a very dangerous problem. I'm not sure if it qualifies as a
On 16/05/08 07:44, Evan wrote:
> After trying to transfer some files from Ubuntu to Windows today, I
> discovered a very dangerous problem. I'm not sure if it qualifies as a
> bug, so I haven't yet reported it, but it could be considered one.
>
> Currently, the only characters that Ubuntu does not
After trying to transfer some files from Ubuntu to Windows today, I
discovered a very dangerous problem. I'm not sure if it qualifies as a bug,
so I haven't yet reported it, but it could be considered one.
Currently, the only characters that Ubuntu does not support in filenames and
paths are slash
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