Re: Network Manager dependencies

2012-08-24 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Emmet Hikory wrote: > > Of course, as the tools continue to advance, some other selection may > make sense in the future, but even then I think we should continue to debate > the tools in terms of how the system is expected to be used, rather than > what hardware i

Re: Network Manager dependencies

2012-08-24 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Tom H wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre > wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Tom H wrote: >>> >>> Could NM's "Depends" and "Recommends" be pared down for an X-less >>> use-case? Thanks. >> >> "We'll burn that bridge when we

Re: Network Manager dependencies

2012-08-24 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Jordon Bedwell wrote: > > I guess this whole NM issue might fall under the tasksel issue, I > prefer not to use it but a friend of mine does...you prefer NM I > prefer to stay away from it, preference perhaps? But with preference > comes the problem that NM relies

Re: Network Manager dependencies

2012-08-24 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Tom H wrote: >> NM on Fedora can now handle bonding and bridging by reading >> "/etc/sysconfig/netwok-scripts/ifcfg-*" files. >> >> I was curious about whether NM could do the same by reading >> "

Re: Network Manager dependencies

2012-08-23 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: > Excerpts from Tom H's message of 2012-08-22 00:24:11 -0700: >> >> IMO, we'll end up sooner or later using NM on X-less boxes by default > > I do not share your opinion. While I'm not ifupdown's biggest fan, it > will likely be the network confi

Re: Network Manager dependencies

2012-08-22 Thread Emmet Hikory
Dale Amon wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 07:40:58PM -0500, Jordon Bedwell wrote: > > prefer to stay away from it, preference perhaps? But with preference > > comes the problem that NM relies on wpasupplicant and a couple of > > other wireless tools that we would absolutely never need on a server,

Re: Network Manager dependencies

2012-08-22 Thread Dale Amon
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 07:40:58PM -0500, Jordon Bedwell wrote: > prefer to stay away from it, preference perhaps? But with preference > comes the problem that NM relies on wpasupplicant and a couple of > other wireless tools that we would absolutely never need on a server, > unless we are crazy or

Re: Network Manager dependencies

2012-08-22 Thread Jordon Bedwell
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Dale Amon wrote: > I usually de-install it on servers. A server has the interfaces > and static IP addresses I tell it has and it should never, ever > even consider overriding those settings. > > NM is okay (usually) for portable luser devices, but not for > the ra

Re: Network Manager dependencies

2012-08-22 Thread Dale Amon
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 04:56:40PM -0400, Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Tom H wrote: > > IMO, we'll end up sooner or later using NM on X-less boxes by default > > It might be the case eventually, but we're not there yet. I usually de-install it on servers. A s

Re: Network Manager dependencies

2012-08-22 Thread Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Tom H wrote: > IMO, we'll end up sooner or later using NM on X-less boxes by default It might be the case eventually, but we're not there yet. > NM on Fedora can now handle bonding and bridging by reading > "/etc/sysconfig/netwok-scripts/ifcfg-*" files. > > I was

Re: Network Manager dependencies

2012-08-22 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Tom H's message of 2012-08-22 00:24:11 -0700: > IMO, we'll end up sooner or later using NM on X-less boxes by default > I do not share your opinion. While I'm not ifupdown's biggest fan, it will likely be the network configuration tool of choice on servers for the forseeable future.