Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-12-07 Thread Stephan Hermann
Hi Kevin, Am Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:55:40 -0700 schrieb Kevin Fries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 12:03 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > I think you misunderstand my point. > > No I got it. And I think that that thinking is wrong and dangerous to > Linux in general, and Ubuntu i

Re: [Fwd: Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)]

2007-12-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday 06 December 2007 16:58, Richard A. Johnson wrote: > Scott, I do have a problem with the document you linked to about asking > smart questions. Most of the answers I have seen in there are stupid > answers or stupid solutions. I was always raised with the idea that there > isn't a such

Re: [Fwd: Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)]

2007-12-06 Thread Richard A. Johnson
RESENDING MY ORIGINAL POST TO THE LIST. This way Kevin doesn't blasted because of my comments :) On Thursday 06 December 2007, Kevin Fries wrote: [...] | If I don't get my steak the way I ordered it.  I buy my steak from | elsewhere.  Ubuntu with no users, is not anything but an exercise in | ego

Re: [Fwd: Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)]

2007-12-06 Thread Richard A. Johnson
On Thursday 06 December 2007, Kevin Fries wrote: | This was sent to me personally, and it has comments directed to others | in the group... Therefore, I assume it was meant for the group at large. Thanks Kevin, sorry about that. I must have hit the wrong reply button. -- Richard A. Johnson [EMAI

Re: [Fwd: Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)]

2007-12-06 Thread Thilo Six
Sarah Hobbs wrote the following on 06.12.2007 12:47 > According to [2], the point of contact for users to get in touch with > developers is ubuntu-devel-discuss. > That being said, there are a number of developers who choose not to read > this list, for various reasons. one contradict th

Re: [Fwd: Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)]

2007-12-06 Thread Todd Deshane
; From: Richard A. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince > crash) > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:54:45 -0600 > > On Thursday 06 December 2007, Kevin Fries wrote: &g

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2007-12-06 Thread Kevin Fries
ubject: Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:54:45 -0600 On Thursday 06 December 2007, Kevin Fries wrote: [...] | If I don't get my steak the way I ordered it. I buy my steak from | elsewhere. Ubuntu with no users, is not anything but an

Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-12-06 Thread Neal McBurnett
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 11:55:40AM -0700, Kevin Fries wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 12:03 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > I think you misunderstand my point. > > No I got it. And I think that that thinking is wrong and dangerous to > Linux in general, and Ubuntu in specific. Kevin - howdy!

Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-12-06 Thread Patrick
There are some really strong arguments being put forth in this thread. I think I can understand how all the participates feel. I think there is a developer-user disconnect and I tried to touch on this in my long winded "best foot forward" thread. That being said I have contributed absolutely no

Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-12-06 Thread Cory K.
Kevin Fries wrote: > You allow the customers wishes to be the only real metric because you > place Ubuntu and Linux's needs before your own. Otherwise, are you > really helping? *IF* I were paid I would agree. What it comes down to with many of us is we find a niche we care about and work on that

Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-12-06 Thread Kevin Fries
On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 12:03 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > I think you misunderstand my point. No I got it. And I think that that thinking is wrong and dangerous to Linux in general, and Ubuntu in specific. > My concern is the idea that "because a user said they want it" is a meaninful > me

Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-12-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday 06 December 2007 11:36, Kevin Fries wrote: > On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 22:13 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > For those of us who are volunteers (most of us), the compromise is > > someone has to convince me it's worth my time to bother. So I'd say > > the other way around. The users who

Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-12-06 Thread Kevin Fries
On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 22:13 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > For those of us who are volunteers (most of us), the compromise is > someone has to convince me it's worth my time to bother. So I'd say > the other way around. The users who want volunteers to actually do > free work for them need to be

Re: [Fwd: Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)]

2007-12-06 Thread Sarah Hobbs
Blaise Alleyne wrote: > True, but there's the additional question - is this the appropriate > place for that sort of discussion? In other words, sure, the developers > need a place to discuss things free from the mob, but the mob also > needs to be able to participate and voice their concerns/appro

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2007-12-06 Thread Blaise Alleyne
Onno Benschop wrote: > On 04/12/07 01:28, Christofer C. Bell wrote: > >> I think allowing the developers of the distribution, those who have a >> real stake in the success of the software in its entirety, to decide >> where to focus their efforts is superior to allowing the mob to decide >> wha

Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-12-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday 05 December 2007 20:59, Andrew Pollock wrote: > On Dec 3, 2007 8:28 AM, Christofer C. Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > On Dec 2, 2007 3:10 PM, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > I agree that : > > > > > > On Tuesday 23 October 2007 05:25:56 Matthew Pa

Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-12-05 Thread Onno Benschop
On 04/12/07 01:28, Christofer C. Bell wrote: > I think allowing the developers of the distribution, those who have a > real stake in the success of the software in its entirety, to decide > where to focus their efforts is superior to allowing the mob to decide > what's important. I also think that

Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-12-05 Thread Andrew Pollock
On Dec 3, 2007 8:28 AM, Christofer C. Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 2, 2007 3:10 PM, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I agree that : > > On Tuesday 23 October 2007 05:25:56 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > > > This causes people to make useless comments of the form "Th

Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-12-03 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Dec 2, 2007 3:10 PM, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree that : > On Tuesday 23 October 2007 05:25:56 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > > This causes people to make useless comments of the form "This bug has X > > votes, why is it only Medium importance!", which causes more e-m

Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-12-03 Thread (``-_-´´) -- Fernando
I agree that : On Tuesday 23 October 2007 05:25:56 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > This causes people to make useless comments of the form "This bug has X > votes, why is it only Medium importance!", which causes more e-mail > notifications and slows down the developers further. but still this is a

Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-10-22 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Oct 22, 2007, at 1:05 PM, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote: ... What we need is a DIGG alike system for LP. Either by counting the number of subscribers/comments, thumbs up/down (digg alike), or an hybrid way of all this. What do you guys think? ... For a variety of reasons, how many votes a bu

Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-10-22 Thread Nicolas Alvarez
On 10/21/07, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What we need is a DIGG alike system for LP. > Either by counting the number of subscribers/comments, thumbs up/down (digg > alike), or an hybrid way of all this. > What do you guys think? A digg thumb up for that idea :) -- Nicol

Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)

2007-10-22 Thread (``-_-´´) -- Fernando
On Tuesday 09 October 2007 05:28:20 Todd Deshane wrote: > On 10/8/07, Aaron Whitehouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It seems to me that if users, developers and testers that are > > > following this list care about a particular issue or bug they can > > > raise it here. If it generates no discu