Re: Proposal: reduce base font size from 10pt to 9pt for Karmic Koala release

2009-10-11 Thread Mario Vukelic
On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 03:55 +0200, Remco wrote: > I'm not saying that Ubuntu shouldn't be accessible by default. I think > that would be a great idea. But accessibility settings have a strong > impact on the user experience. One size certainly doesn't fit all. And > this particular accessibility se

Re: Proposal: reduce base font size from 10pt to 9pt for Karmic Koala release

2009-10-10 Thread Remco
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 03:21, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2009/10/11 00:03 (GMT+0200) Remco composed: > >> On this setup, with the correct DPI set, 10pt looks *huge*. 9pt is >> still too much for my tastes. 8pt feels very natural. > > And without leaning forward you can touch the screen with your elb

Re: Proposal: reduce base font size from 10pt to 9pt for Karmic Koala release

2009-10-10 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/10/11 00:03 (GMT+0200) Remco composed: > On this setup, with the correct DPI set, 10pt looks *huge*. 9pt is > still too much for my tastes. 8pt feels very natural. And without leaning forward you can touch the screen with your elbow too, right? And over 55? :-) I can't even come close wit

Re: Proposal: reduce base font size from 10pt to 9pt for Karmic Koala release

2009-10-10 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/10/10 21:01 (GMT+0100) Conn composed: > Indeed. My laptop's LCD screen should be using 91dpi, but it uses 96dpi by > default: > c...@inspiron:~$ xdpyinfo | grep -e "\(resolution\|dimensions\)" > dimensions:1024x768 pixels (286x214 millimeters) > resolution:91x91 dots per inch

Re: Proposal: reduce base font size from 10pt to 9pt for Karmic Koala release

2009-10-10 Thread LoonyPhoenix
I think the whole problem with different monitors is solvable by using the native DPI instead of hard-coding 96 and then using a sane font size which would then be the same in size across all monitors (in physical millimeters, as opposed to physical dots on screen). I think 8 pt at native DPI is a

Re: Proposal: reduce base font size from 10pt to 9pt for Karmic Koala release

2009-10-10 Thread Remco
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 22:01, Conn wrote: > On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Felix Miata wrote: >> Ditto. If those are in fact 9pt and not 8pt something is unusual on your >> comparison XP. Windows UI fonts have usually been ridiculously small >> (8pt), >> but I have encountered the use of 9pt i

Re: Proposal: reduce base font size from 10pt to 9pt for Karmic Koala release

2009-10-10 Thread Conn
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > You're making your comparison in the wrong environment: 1024x768. Generally > at that resolution fonts and other objects are larger than at the higher > resolutions new systems and displays average. 1024x768, which on a 15" (the > largest that

Re: Proposal: reduce base font size from 10pt to 9pt for Karmic Koala release

2009-10-10 Thread Conn
(My apologies Ethan & Felix, I sent to your personal e-mails and not the list. Re-sending to the list). On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Ethan Baldridge < et...@superiordocumentservices.com> wrote: > Conn said: > - Fonts currently look over-sized on the default configuration (96dpi, > 10pt, subpi

RE: Proposal: reduce base font size from 10pt to 9pt for Karmic Koala release

2009-10-10 Thread Ethan Baldridge
Conn said: - Fonts currently look over-sized on the default configuration (96dpi, 10pt, subpixel smoothing & slight hinting) This is the problem I believe. Why is the default always 96dpi instead of the correct information from the EDID? $ xdpyinfo | grep -e "\(resolution\|dimensions\)" dimen

Re: Proposal: reduce base font size from 10pt to 9pt for Karmic Koala release

2009-10-10 Thread LoonyPhoenix
Just my $0.02: I'm using a 125 DPI monitor and I don't find fonts at 9 pt too small. In fact, Windows's "ridiculously small fonts" seem just a bit small to me, but definitely legible enough. But that's a matter of taste; I just like my user interfaces compact, I'm a freak that way. However, DejaVu

Re: Proposal: reduce base font size from 10pt to 9pt for Karmic Koala release

2009-10-10 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/10/10 07:20 (GMT+0100) Conn composed: > I am proposing that for the Karmic Koala release, we set all font sizes > (application, document, desktop, window title and fixed width) to 9pts, for > the following reasons: B, hisss, thumbs down. > - Fonts currently look over-sized on the def

Proposal: reduce base font size from 10pt to 9pt for Karmic Koala release

2009-10-09 Thread Conn
Hey folks, I am proposing that for the Karmic Koala release, we set all font sizes (application, document, desktop, window title and fixed width) to 9pts, for the following reasons: - Fonts currently look over-sized on the default configuration (96dpi, 10pt, subpixel smoothing & slight hinting) i