Re: Hibernate and Restriced Drivers (Was: 4 More days...)

2007-10-19 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 04:25:14PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 09:33:22PM +0200, Paulus Esterhazy wrote: > > > This bug, or this group of bugs, will be a source of annoyance to many > > users. Basically, when you use restricted drivers (both NVidia and ATI), > > your sy

Re: Hibernate and Restriced Drivers (Was: 4 More days...)

2007-10-18 Thread Hugo Heden
On 10/18/07, Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 09:33:22PM +0200, Paulus Esterhazy wrote: [snip] > > I hope this doesn't sound ungrateful. Ubuntu developers are doing a very > > good job overall, and dealing with binary blobs isn't an easy task. It's > > alright

Re: Hibernate and Restriced Drivers (Was: 4 More days...)

2007-10-18 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 09:33:22PM +0200, Paulus Esterhazy wrote: > This bug, or this group of bugs, will be a source of annoyance to many > users. Basically, when you use restricted drivers (both NVidia and ATI), > your system will fail to resume from hibernation most of the time. As > restricted

Hibernate and Restriced Drivers (Was: 4 More days...)

2007-10-16 Thread Paulus Esterhazy
Hello developers, > There's the decision to ship with a kernel that breaks > suspend/resume on any machine using ATI proprietary drivers (and > Nvidia I think, but by that point we'd rolled a custom kernel to fix > the Ubuntu breakage). This bug, or this group of bugs, will be a source of annoyan

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-16 Thread Martin Olsson
jdong wrote: > If you have any other constructive solutions or suggestions, we'd be > more than happy to hear them out. The existence of angrykeyboarders will become more and more painful and Ubuntu gets more and more users. The current system has a scalability problem and convincing people t

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-16 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
On Oct 16, 2007, at 2:06 AM, Scott (angrykeyboarder) wrote: ... I've been running Gutsy for a little over two months now. In part because I wanted to help out. But it's quite disheartening to file bug reports (some of which are seemly serious) only to find that they don't merit any kind of respo

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday 15 October 2007 23:10, Scott (angrykeyboarder) wrote: > Sarah Hobbs spake thusly : > > Yay for unproductive mails! > > My first "productive" email here was completely ignored. > That's a step up from this one. You're unignored, but certainly not making progress on getting stuff fixed.

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-15 Thread Scott
In [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:25:36 +, Scott spake thusly: > On a related note, the last comment (as of this writing) in thhis bug is > a week old and it's from none other than Richard. He asks "So are we > pushing a gutsy release next without this patched anywhere?" > > Well R

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-15 Thread Scott
In [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:24:47 +0100, Scott James Remnant spake thusly: > On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 03:46 +1000, David MacKinnon wrote: > >> On 10/16/07, Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > You mentioned udev in your mailing list post -- clearly you have some >>

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-15 Thread jdong
I understand your frustration -- I too have reported bugs that have not seen a resolution. It's bound to happen, on a distribution where the users far outnumber the developers. There's a finite number of developers and they are doing the best that they can. You seem to be implying that all the de

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-15 Thread Scott (angrykeyboarder)
Sarah Hobbs spake thusly : > Oh, just let me wave my magic wand, and fix it all! Good luck. There are scads of bugs with "Undecided" status on them. You've got your work cut out for you even with that magic wand. > Yay for unproductive mails! My first "productive" email here was completely ign

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-15 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 03:46 +1000, David MacKinnon wrote: > On 10/16/07, Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You mentioned udev in your mailing list post -- clearly you have some > > reason to suspect it should be fixed there, otherwise why mention it > > all? > > Because the ot

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-15 Thread David MacKinnon
On 10/16/07, Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You mentioned udev in your mailing list post -- clearly you have some > reason to suspect it should be fixed there, otherwise why mention it > all? Because the other person in the bug thought so enough to ask the udev maintainers opini

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-15 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 03:18 +1000, David MacKinnon wrote: > On 10/16/07, Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If you can successfully argue why it's a udev bug, why is this argument > > not in the bug and why is the bug still marked "Incomplete" ? > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/u

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-15 Thread David MacKinnon
On 10/16/07, Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you can successfully argue why it's a udev bug, why is this argument > not in the bug and why is the bug still marked "Incomplete" ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/132373 I didn't, I filed against cryptsetup wh

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-15 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 01:04 +1000, David MacKinnon wrote: > On 10/15/07, John Dong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is not very constructive. All of us here put our heart and effort > > into the distro and comments like this don't help. Exactly what things > > are bug-ridden that need attention

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-15 Thread David MacKinnon
On 10/15/07, John Dong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is not very constructive. All of us here put our heart and effort > into the distro and comments like this don't help. Exactly what things > are bug-ridden that need attention? It's one thing to raise awareness of > last-minute important bugs

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-15 Thread Scott (angrykeyboarder)
Matthew Garrett spake thusly: > With the exception of the Thunderbird and timidity issues (and I can't > reproduce the timidity one here at all), every bug you've responded to > in gutsy appears to be down to your issue with Hal. And, judging by the > log there, your system was entirely broken:

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-15 Thread Scott (angrykeyboarder)
John Dong spake thusly on 317253208 :: > This is not very constructive. All of us here put our heart and effort > into the distro and comments like this don't help. Exactly what things > are bug-ridden that need attention? It's one thing to raise awareness of > last-minute important bugs, but this

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-15 Thread Scott (angrykeyboarder)
Onno Benschop spake thusly: > On 15/10/07 07:31, Scott (angrykeyboarder) wrote: >> till the release of the most bug-ridden Ubuntu release yet (unless the >> devs go into overdrive in the next few days)! >> > > I have to say that I was quite offended by your statement. It's not > constructive in

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-15 Thread Don Kelly
On 10/15/07, Martin Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It seems that there are always going to be people who are frustrated > by one thing or another. Lets hope that Don Kelly can find the time to > work out his problems and let us know what the problems where. Unless > your providing real answers

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-15 Thread Sarah Hobbs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oh, just let me wave my magic wand, and fix it all! Yay for unproductive mails! Sometimes i wish even ubuntu-devel-discuss was moderated, so we don't get utterly useless mails like this. Scott (angrykeyboarder) wrote: > till the release of the most

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-14 Thread Martin Owens
On 14/10/2007, John Dong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is not very constructive. All of us here put our heart and effort > into the distro and comments like this don't help. Exactly what things > are bug-ridden that need attention? It's one thing to raise awareness of > last-minute important bu

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-14 Thread John Dong
This is not very constructive. All of us here put our heart and effort into the distro and comments like this don't help. Exactly what things are bug-ridden that need attention? It's one thing to raise awareness of last-minute important bugs, but this seems to be nothing more than flamebait John

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-14 Thread Matthew Garrett
With the exception of the Thunderbird and timidity issues (and I can't reproduce the timidity one here at all), every bug you've responded to in gutsy appears to be down to your issue with Hal. And, judging by the log there, your system was entirely broken: 03:13:09.373 [W] ids.c:294: Couldn't

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-14 Thread Onno Benschop
On 15/10/07 07:31, Scott (angrykeyboarder) wrote: > till the release of the most bug-ridden Ubuntu release yet (unless the > devs go into overdrive in the next few days)! > I have to say that I was quite offended by your statement. It's not constructive in any way and it does not reflect the am

Re: 4 More days...

2007-10-14 Thread Don Kelly
Really? I haven't been paying too much attention this time around. I was planning to upgrade once the release comes out. Is there a website which lists all of these bugs so that I can figure out which to avoid or, at least, which affect me? DonK/ On 10/14/07, Scott (angrykeyboarder) <[EMAIL PR

4 More days...

2007-10-14 Thread Scott (angrykeyboarder)
till the release of the most bug-ridden Ubuntu release yet (unless the devs go into overdrive in the next few days)! -- Scott http://angrykeyboarder.com ©2007 angrykeyboarder™ & Elmer Fudd. All Wites Wesewved -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.c