Re: LibreOffice bug - cannot load calc 5.1.4.2

2017-06-29 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:26 PM, paulwhee...@cox.net wrote: > LibreOffice bug - cannot load calc 5.1.4.228 June, 2017 > > ... > > I created a new linuxmint installation. I installed libreOffice. I tried to > look at a calc file. Got the attached error message. > > ... > > I have run linuxmint

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

2016-10-11 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Xen wrote: > Tom H schreef op 11-10-2016 16:52: >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Xen wrote: I'll reply quickly to the beginning and read and reply to the rest tomorrow. >>> That's not really true. The vast majority of people

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

2016-10-11 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Xen wrote: > > That's not really true. The vast majority of people would go screaming > for a Windows or Mac PC if they had Linux preinstalled. > > The level of system maintenance I would have to give to my family for > a Linux box is about 95%. Please don't extra

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

2016-10-08 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Xen wrote: > Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 17:05: >>> On 05 Oct 2016, at 16:30, Xen wrote: >>> Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 15:31: let alone that some people don't use fstab at all on systemd installs. >>> >>> So what do they use instead? >> >>

Re: My opinion on Ubuntu cancelling Intel 80386/80386-clone processor support

2016-09-12 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 1:43 PM, John Moser wrote: > On Sun, 2016-09-11 at 12:52 -0400, Tom H wrote: >> >> I've only read a quarter (or less) of the posts in this thread so I >> don't know how it went from "32-bit ISOs are being deprecated" to >> so

Re: My opinion on Ubuntu cancelling Intel 80386/80386-clone processor support

2016-09-12 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:52:14 -0400, Tom H wrote: >> >> do you really think that this is the best use of ubuntu-devel-discuss@? > > Does somebody need 32 bit support? > > Neither it was me who opened this thread, n

Re: My opinion on Ubuntu cancelling Intel 80386/80386-clone processor support

2016-09-11 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > You are quoting me out of context. The context is that the poor can't > donate new computers and they can't pay for infrastructure, such as > internet access for everyone. _BUT_ rich people could, they are just > not interested in doing it, they are gr

systemd samba units

2016-09-03 Thread Tom H
Could Ubuntu ship samba systemd units with the same names as upstream? Ubuntu's shipping nmbd, samba (masked), samba-ad-dc, and smbd, whereas upstream's shipping nmb, samba (equivalent to samba-ad-dc), and smb. It'd be helpful and kind to those of who use multiple distros - as well as for those w

Re: Ubuntu 16.04 Secure Boot Policy

2016-07-09 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 4:15 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 03:39:48 -0400, Tom H wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 3:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> >>> It's still more user-friendly to disable secure boot, than to deal >>> with it, isn

Re: Re: Ubuntu 16.04 Secure Boot Policy

2016-07-05 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 11:32 PM, Dale Amon wrote: > > If you roll your own kernels, do the build scripts > let you generate your own keys? If you don't generate your own key and set its path in "CONFIG_MODULE_SIG_KEY", "make" will generate a "certs/signing_key.pem" key (unless you disable key gen

Re: Ubuntu 16.04 Secure Boot Policy

2016-07-05 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 3:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On 04.07.2016, at 00:02, Tom H wrote: >> The Linux developers who put together a Linux solution/option for >> Secure Boot must've thought that there's a case to be made for Secure >> Boot on Linux. > &g

Re: Ubuntu 16.04 Secure Boot Policy

2016-07-03 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 15:18:44 -0500, Kaosu NA wrote: >> >> Not only will something like this be more user-friendly, but it >> also allows a large number of Ubuntu users to take advantage of a >> modern security technology without giving up usabil

Re: GRsecurity is preventing others from employing their rights under version 2 the GPL to redistribute source code.

2016-05-31 Thread Tom H
On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 5:19 AM, wrote: > > GRsecurity is preventing others from employing their rights under > version 2 the GPL to redistribute (by threatening them with a > non-renewal of a contract to recive this patch to the linux kernel.) > (GRsecurity is a derivative work of the linux kerne

Re: suggest policy: all GUI apps that display files/folders right-click copies full path

2016-04-01 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Xen wrote: > Tom H schreef op 31-03-16 10:38: >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:31 AM, Xen wrote: >>> Colin Law schreef op 28-03-2016 18:38: >>>> Are these not issues for upstream Nautilus developers to consider >>>> rather

Re: the fragile boot process [on encryption setups and home data]

2016-03-31 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 04:20:15 +0200, Tom H wrote: >> If you add "nofail" to an fstab entry's options, the generated mount >> unit "wants" local-fs.target or remote-fs.target and boot won't fail

Re: suggest policy: all GUI apps that display files/folders right-click copies full path

2016-03-31 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:31 AM, Xen wrote: > Colin Law schreef op 28-03-2016 18:38: >> >> Are these not issues for upstream Nautilus developers to consider >> rather than Ubuntu? > > The point is really that if people "downstream" *care* their voice becomes > stronger 'upstream'. > > If a number

Re: the fragile boot process [on encryption setups and home data]

2016-03-28 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 2:23 AM, Xen wrote: > > If the halt-on-fstab-problem is Ubuntu related, then it is clear my message > should have been sent here and not some other Linux distro or whatever. The halt-on-fstab-problem isn't an Ubuntu feature, it's a systemd one. systemd generates mount uni

Re: Why is package libpam-smbpass removed?

2016-03-09 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Linus Eklöf wrote: > > This breaks the easy set up for folder sharing in nautilus since only the > guest access will work unless setting up samba manually. > > Is this intended or should this feature be present and filed as a bug? It was removed upstream (pam_smbpa

systemd-fsck@.service

2015-11-30 Thread Tom H
I have two questions about systemd-fsck@.service. 1) How does the unit now what "%f" is? $ grep -Ev '^#|^$' /lib/systemd/system/systemd-fsck@.service [Unit] Description=File System Check on %f Documentation=man:systemd-fsck@.service(8) DefaultDependencies=no BindsTo=%i.device Wants=systemd-fsckd.

Re: systemd-nspawn and /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf

2015-09-24 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Tom H wrote: > > You need to ensure that a proper resolv.conf exists in a chroot before > switching to it. When installing Gentoo, for example, you "cp -L > /etc/resolv.conf $chroot/etc" before chrooting because the > installati

Re: systemd-nspawn and /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf

2015-09-24 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 08:36:27 -0400, Tom H wrote: > Thank you Tom for taking the time. You're welcome. >> So it works when using "-b". >> >> But you're right, it doesn't when not usi

Re: systemd-nspawn and /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf

2015-09-22 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 4:16 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 21:51:35 -0400, Tom H wrote: >> On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 1:11 PM, Ralf Mardorf >> wrote: >>> by default Wily's /etc/resolv.conf is a link against >>> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.c

Re: systemd-nspawn and /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf

2015-09-21 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 1:11 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > by default Wily's /etc/resolv.conf is a link against > ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf. If you want to maintain Wily from another > install in a systemd-nspawn container, the link needs to be replaced by a > file /etc/resolv.conf. Since Wily i

Re: [solved] Errors when building a kernel

2015-08-23 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 4:04 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 22:54:22 +0200, I wrote: >> Tom's hint is useful, menuconfig's search option does the trick, I >> seemingly got rid of MPILIB=m. >> >>Thank you. > > Thank you Tom :) You're welcome. > I was able to build the kernel pac

Re: Errors when building a kernel

2015-08-23 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 08:32:35 -0400, Tom H wrote: >> >> There's nothing difficult with "make menuconfig" because you can >> search for a specific config value with "/" except that you like to >

Re: Errors when building a kernel

2015-08-22 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Oliver Grawert wrote: > > also note that an ubuntu kernel package is more than vmlinuz and > modules ... there are configs and postinst scripts run at install time > of the deb. given that make-kpkg is a debian tool that nobody in ubuntu > uses for building kernel

Re: Errors when building a kernel

2015-08-22 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 12:20:33 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: >> >> if you just want to know if an arch kernel wakes up your disk when >> running with ubuntu userspace you could as well just copy over the >> binaries from a running arch system. >

Re: Errors when building a kernel

2015-08-22 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 05:08:03 -0400, Tom H wrote: >> >> Are you editing ".config" manually? > > Yes ... > >> if yes, why don't you use "make menuconfig" (or another config target) >&

Re: Errors when building a kernel

2015-08-22 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > This line ... > > [root@moonstudio src]# export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2;wget > https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.x/linux-3.10.61.tar.gz > https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/projects/rt/3.10/older/patch-3.10.61-rt65.patch.gz > && ta

Re: Errors when building a kernel

2015-08-22 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 5:05 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > I try to build a kernel for Wily, that is as close as possible to a > kernel I use for Arch Linux. The reason is, that for the Arch install > Green drives don't run berserk and I anyway need a 3.x-rt. > > Then I tried to build the kernel [1]

Re: equivalent of chkconfig

2015-08-19 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Martin Pitt wrote: > Tom H [2015-08-18 9:33 -0400]: >> >> # When this machine is running systemd, standard service calls are turned >> into >> # systemctl calls. >> >> >> And this is what you want for the sake of co

Re: equivalent of chkconfig

2015-08-18 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Martin Pitt wrote: > Tom H [2015-08-18 5:40 -0400]: >> Unless Ubuntu decides "we're going to provide native systemd units for >> all packages that have sysvrc scripts in Ubuntu version X", these >> units'll be pro

Re: equivalent of chkconfig

2015-08-18 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 05:52:20 -0400, Tom H wrote: >>On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Ralf Mardorf >> wrote: >>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:32:42 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: >>>> unfounded FUD >>>

Re: equivalent of chkconfig

2015-08-18 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Martin Pitt wrote: > Tom H [2015-08-18 4:49 -0400]: >>> update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d are tools for package maintainers only (to >>> be used from pre/postinst scripts) and only applies to sysv-init >>> scripts ... >> >>

Re: equivalent of chkconfig

2015-08-18 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:36 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 05:40:23 -0400, Tom H wrote: >> >> It's a bit messy, SOMETIMES. > I'm aware that it wasn't you who blamed me for spreading "unfounded > FUD", it was Oliver and at the sa

Re: equivalent of chkconfig

2015-08-18 Thread Tom H
n Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Martin Pitt wrote: > Oliver Grawert [2015-08-17 15:24 +0200]: >> >> if you need to prevent an upstart service from starting on boot you need >> to create a .override files containing the word "manual", as described >> in your askubuntu links. i dont think there exis

Re: equivalent of chkconfig

2015-08-18 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 17:32:42 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: >> >> unfounded FUD > > What next? > > Actually everything I pointed out is correct, it's not unfounded FUD. > Even you mentioned that not all services are ported over. > > It's not th

Re: equivalent of chkconfig

2015-08-18 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:56 AM, João M. S. Silva wrote: > > The specific problem here is that modemmanager depends on network-manager: > > $ cat /etc/init/modemmanager.conf > (...) > start on starting network-manager > stop on stopped network-manager > (...) > > But I don't need network-manager a

Re: equivalent of chkconfig

2015-08-18 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 08:43:50 -0400, Luis Mondesi wrote: >> >> When you do a clean install of 15.10 you get the Full Systemd >> Experience ™ It's very awkward for the first 30 seconds or so, but one >> gets used to its quirks very fast. >> >> C

Re: equivalent of chkconfig

2015-08-18 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Oliver Grawert wrote: > Am Montag, den 17.08.2015, 12:38 +0100 schrieb João M. S. Silva: First a correction. I meant to say "as in Debian for sysv damons" not "as in Debian". This is the problem with hybrid init setups. With upstart, we could use update-rc.d fo

Re: equivalent of chkconfig

2015-08-15 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:38 PM, João M. S. Silva wrote: > > I suggest an equivalent of Fedora's chkconfig for server startup service > administration. > > It seems strange that a simple solution for this problem does not already > exist, but from all the questions that I've checked, that seems th

Re: upgrade udev on Ubuntu 14.04

2015-03-14 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Saturday, March 14, 2015 06:27:14 PM Aron Xu wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Qiang Huang >> wrote: >>> >>> I'm a Docker user, for some reason, I need to use Docker on Ubuntu 14.04 >>> with devicemapper driver, but we got a se

Re: Expert mode options in installation not available on Trusty 14.04.2 release

2015-02-21 Thread Tom H
Sorry. Gmail somehow defaulted to this list rather than the user list. On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Tom H wrote: > On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 2:55 AM, John Mok wrote: >> >> I tried to use the new release Trusty 14.04.2 amd64 to install a new >> server, but found that

Re: Expert mode options in installation not available on Trusty 14.04.2 release

2015-02-21 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 2:55 AM, John Mok wrote: > > I tried to use the new release Trusty 14.04.2 amd64 to install a new > server, but found that that the expert mode installation became not > available. Those options, like choosing local archive server and > enabling root account on console acce

Re: mail binary from mailutils package 1:2.99.98-1.4 doesn't expand aliases

2015-01-30 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:28 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > jfprev...@bluewin.ch wrote on 21/01/15 23:17: >> >> This bug has been filed in 2004 in the debian bugtracker, but >> apparently closed by the maintainer as he couldn't reproduce it. I >> confirm that on my Ubuntu 14.04 LTS 64bits, the a

Re: Systemd in Ubuntu 15.04 Vivid

2015-01-10 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Сергей wrote: > > Excuse me, are there any plans of making systemd a default init-system > in Ubuntu 15.04? From [1]: "Although this topic has been discussed before (see References below), this cycle we fully intend to make the switch to systemd as PID 1." [1] h

Re: 15.04 and systemd

2014-12-13 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 2:11 AM, Martin Pitt wrote: > Tom H [2014-12-05 8:03 -0500]: >>> >>> | $ grep ifup /lib/udev/rules.d/99-systemd.rules >>> | SUBSYSTEM=="net", KERNEL!="lo", TAG+="systemd", >>> ENV{SYSTEMD_ALIAS

Re: Hide boot on-screen errors, or get TV-out working on ATI Radeon X300

2014-12-08 Thread Tom H
Sorry. Sent to devel-discuss@ by mistake! On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 6:04 AM, Tom H wrote: > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 2:45 AM, Marius Gedminas wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 07, 2014 at 02:33:47PM -0500, John Hupp wrote: >>> >>> I created /etc/sysctl.d/20-quiet-printk.conf with con

Re: Hide boot on-screen errors, or get TV-out working on ATI Radeon X300

2014-12-08 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 2:45 AM, Marius Gedminas wrote: > On Sun, Dec 07, 2014 at 02:33:47PM -0500, John Hupp wrote: >> >> I created /etc/sysctl.d/20-quiet-printk.conf with content: >> kernel.printk = 3 3 3 3 >> ... >> Though I was curious to know a bit more about the mechanisms in >> play, I didn'

Re: 15.04 and systemd

2014-12-05 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Martin Pitt wrote: > sorry for the late answer! > > Tom H [2014-11-03 15:06 -0500]: >> "Cannot add dependency job for unit systemd-vconsole-setup.service, >> ignoring: Unit systemd-vconsole-setup.service failed to load: No such >&g

Re: Devuan

2014-12-03 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Diego Germán Gonzalez wrote: > El 02/12/14 a las 08:12, Tom H escibió: >> >> Why would Ubuntu give its users a choice of init now when it hasn't in the >> past? > > Why use Unity when we always use Gnome? > Why use LibreOffice w

Re: Devuan

2014-12-02 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 1:55 AM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > On 01.12.2014 19:15, Tom H wrote: >> >> Especially after deciding a few months ago to switch to systemd! > > By the way: is it then be mandatory ? Why would Ubuntu give its users a choice of init now

Re: Devuan

2014-12-01 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Diego Germán Gonzalez wrote: > > I just learned of the launch of Devuan > https://devuan.org/ > A fork of Debian which eliminates the requirement to use systemd, and > promises to build a less bureaucratic and more friendly community towards > the derived distros >

15.04 and systemd

2014-11-03 Thread Tom H
I'm running 15.04 with systemd as pid 1 and I want to share some observations. 1) systemd-vconsole-setup.service "Cannot add dependency job for unit systemd-vconsole-setup.service, ignoring: Unit systemd-vconsole-setup.service failed to load: No such file or directory." is in the output of journa

Re: Puppet version bump

2013-01-26 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 4:05 PM, John Moser wrote: > On 01/26/2013 04:01 PM, Tom H wrote: >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 2:19 PM, John Moser >> wrote: >>> >>> Does this package currently not have a maintainer, or is it just slow in >>> Debian as well? >&g

Re: Puppet version bump

2013-01-26 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 2:19 PM, John Moser wrote: > I'm noticing that 2.7 is still the version of Puppet in Raring; however, > version 3.0 was released October 1, 2012, before release of 12.04: I assume that you mean 13.04. > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/puppet-users/lqmTBX9XDtw/d

Re: Problem with Quantal and a KVM

2013-01-04 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Dale Amon wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 06:18:21PM -0500, Tom H wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Dale Amon wrote: >> >> >>> # DMA20121218. This is new, suggested to me by Tom H on the ubuntudev list >>> #GRUB_G

Re: Problem with Quantal and a KVM

2013-01-04 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Sander Smeenk wrote: > Quoting Jordon Bedwell (jor...@envygeeks.com): >>> >>> And framebuffered consoles. I can see *some* value of having larger >>> terminals than the default 80x24. >> >> And this is more constructive than my comments? Jump in and help fix >> them

Re: Problem with Quantal and a KVM

2013-01-03 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Dale Amon wrote: > # DMA20121218. This is new, suggested to me by Tom H on the ubuntudev list > #GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text If you don't set it "text", the value of "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX" is that of "GRUB_GFXMODE", which

Re: Misc problems with quantal

2012-12-18 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Dale Amon wrote: > > Second, I am getting hit with a blinking screen even in > virtual terminals on a quantal amd64 server build. Terminal > is an ADI ProVista attached to a KVM. > > Eventually the screen seems to go to sleep and I cannot > get it to ever come back

Re: Possible inclusion of 'net-tools' into Ubuntu Core

2012-12-05 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Kieran Grant wrote: > > Based on the problems that Saqlain had > (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2012-December/014092.html) > and I initially had with Ubuntu core and using apt-get, I am wondering > if Ubuntu Core should include 'net-tools' (

Re: Update manager mandating rebooting

2012-10-31 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Daniel J Blueman wrote: > > I'd love to hear what other users and developers think about this: > > The refreshed update manager (almost) always displays "The computer needs to > restart to finish installing updates", with a default button "Restart" > highlighted. N

Re: Network Manager dependencies

2012-08-24 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Emmet Hikory wrote: > > Of course, as the tools continue to advance, some other selection may > make sense in the future, but even then I think we should continue to debate > the tools in terms of how the system is expected to be used, rather than > what hardware i

Re: Network Manager dependencies

2012-08-24 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Tom H wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre > wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Tom H wrote: >>> >>> Could NM's "Depends" and "Recommends" be pared down for an X-less &

Re: Network Manager dependencies

2012-08-24 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Jordon Bedwell wrote: > > I guess this whole NM issue might fall under the tasksel issue, I > prefer not to use it but a friend of mine does...you prefer NM I > prefer to stay away from it, preference perhaps? But with preference > comes the problem that NM relies

Re: Network Manager dependencies

2012-08-24 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Tom H wrote: >> NM on Fedora can now handle bonding and bridging by reading >> "/etc/sysconfig/netwok-scripts/ifcfg-*" files. >> >> I was curious about wh

Re: Network Manager dependencies

2012-08-23 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: > Excerpts from Tom H's message of 2012-08-22 00:24:11 -0700: >> >> IMO, we'll end up sooner or later using NM on X-less boxes by default > > I do not share your opinion. While I'm not ifupdown's biggest fan, it > will likely be the network confi

Network Manager dependencies

2012-08-22 Thread Tom H
IMO, we'll end up sooner or later using NM on X-less boxes by default NM on Fedora can now handle bonding and bridging by reading "/etc/sysconfig/netwok-scripts/ifcfg-*" files. I was curious about whether NM could do the same by reading "/etc/network/interfaces" so I've just tried to install NM i

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-09 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:12 PM, John Moser wrote: > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Tom H wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Phillip Susi wrote: >>> On 8/8/2012 11:01 AM, John Moser wrote: >>>> >>>> Put your mouse pointer in the middle of the

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-09 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:52 PM, John Moser wrote: > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Jordon Bedwell wrote: >> >> It has a lot of bearing for people. Proper usability testing would have >> pointed that out, and Canonicals decision not to allow the toolbar to be >> on the right if users wanted is c

Re: Are UI developers all left handed?

2012-08-08 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Phillip Susi wrote: > On 8/8/2012 11:01 AM, John Moser wrote: >> >> Put your mouse pointer in the middle of the screen. >> >> Put your mouse somewhere you can grab it. >> >> Now reach out and grab the mouse. >> >> Where does the pointer end up? > > It ends up in th

Re: Windows controls: new button layout

2010-05-08 Thread Tom H
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Dylan McCall wrote: > Speaking of release notes, I was looking for the 10.04 release notes > to see what we had going on there for the button layout change, but I > actually _couldn't find them_ from ubuntu.com. Am I just going crazy? http://www.ubuntu.com/getubun

Re: Ubuntu needs a new development model

2010-05-05 Thread Tom H
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > On 6 May 2010 01:38, Brandon Holtsclaw wrote: >> On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 20:34 -0400, Daniel Hollocher wrote: >>> I'm pretty sure that getdeb.net and the ppa's on launchpad satisfy >>> most cravings for rolling releases. >> >> And Debian sid

Small correction to avahi section of 10.04 release notes

2010-04-29 Thread Tom H
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004 and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes $ diff -su wrong right --- wrong 2010-04-29 14:47:14.200010874 -0400 +++ right 2010-04-29 14:46:42.727997369 -0400 @@ -1,8 +1,10 @@ Avahi will always start even if a .local domain is p

Rant about 10.04's installer on ubuntu-users

2010-04-21 Thread Tom H
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2010-April/216013.html Since the person who posted does not want to file a bug report, I thought that i should point this out. >From the link above: Long story short: the only way to be safe right now is to physically remove drives with important da

Re: Troubleshooting boot problems

2010-04-20 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Joao Pinto wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Patrick Goetz > wrote: >> > Subject: Re: Troubleshooting boot problems >> > From: Brian Vaughan >> > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 07:53:30 -0700 >> >> Next, suppose I don't want to run ufw -- what's the procedure for

Re: Troubleshooting boot problems

2010-04-20 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Patrick Goetz wrote: >> Subject: Re: Troubleshooting boot problems >> From: Brian Vaughan >> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 07:53:30 -0700 >> >> I'd like to see a good overview of Ubuntu's startup process. I just took >> a class on Unix/Linux system administration, and we

Re: cant start gksu firefox

2010-04-03 Thread Tom H
>>> Can you explain why gksu is a bad idea and why gksudo is better? >> gksu - executes as superuser using $HOME = /root >> gksudo - executes your current environment e.g. $HOME=/home/$user but >> with superuser priviliges. > However, on Ubuntu: > ~$ diff -as $(which gksu) $(which gksudo) > File

Re: Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 40, Issue 13

2010-03-09 Thread Tom H
>> I assume that the samba job has been split into two because there was >> a problem with nmbd not starting when smbd and nmbd were launched >> through samba. >> If you look at the respective conf files, you will see that nmbd >> requires a nic other than lo to be up before starting. > So, althou

Re: Upstart

2010-03-09 Thread Tom H
>> 1. Why does /lib/init/upstart-job direct us to use service rather than >> initctl? > Because /usr/sbin/service can handle the start/stop/restart/status > actions of both traditional System V init scripts in /etc/init.d as > well as Upstart scripts in /etc/init. > It's intended to be one-stop-

Re: Upstart

2010-03-09 Thread Tom H
>>> 999. Could initctl be made to recognize, for example, both >>> avahi-daemon and avahi-daemon.conf? (If I am in /etc/init - it is rare >>> but it happens - and type "stop av//tab//", I end up with "stop >>> avahi-daemon.conf" which, after pressing //enter// results in an >>> "unknown job" messag

Upstart

2010-03-07 Thread Tom H
Patrick's two Upstart posts reminded me of 2.5 queries of my own. 1. Why does /lib/init/upstart-job direct us to use service rather than initctl? 2. With initctl, upstart has the equivalent of invoke-rc.d/service. Is there or will there be the equivalent of update-rc.d/chkconfig? 999. Could init

Re: Upstart (now, a very modest suggestion)

2010-03-07 Thread Tom H
> So, I'm testing samba on a Lucid alpha 3, and I decide to restart the > smbd daemon: > sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart > sudo: /etc/init.d/samba: command not found > Oops, I guess it's a service now? > sudo service samba restart > samba: unrecognized service > So of course it only took a littl

Re: White-on-black terminal should be default

2010-03-03 Thread Tom H
>> Everybody knows that a terminal has white text on black background. >> Windows has a terminal like this. Mac OS X have a terminal like this. OS X's terminal is a very civilized black text on white background... > Ugh. I really thought that only primitive systems use white text on a black > ba