python-zopeinterface - apparent dependency resolution error

2009-09-07 Thread Matt Zimmerman
Did anyone else see this recently in Karmic? python-apport wouldn't upgrade automatically due to a chain of dependency weirdness which led to python-zopeinterface and python-zope.interface. -- - mdz atomicity:[~/src] sudo apt-get install python-apport Reading package lists... Done Building depe

Re: Best practice for reporting bugs

2009-03-25 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 03:46:05PM -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > > > On Wednesday 25 March 2009 11:08:11 am Derek Broughton wrote: > >> Matt Zimmerman wrote: > >> > >> > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:38:44PM +, Chris

Re: Best practice for reporting bugs

2009-03-25 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:38:44PM +, Chris Jones wrote: > Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > our best practices for reporting bugs. In particular, reporting bugs > > directly to Launchpad is usually *NOT* the best approach. This should only > > Perhaps Launchpad could specifi

Re: Call for testing empathy

2008-08-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 05:25:05PM -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote: > Who makes the final call on the inclusion of Empathy in Intrepid? The desktop team, or if they can't decide, the technical board can help advise. > Where does that discussion happen? ubuntu-desktop@, #ubuntu-desktop, desktop tea

Re: ext4 in Intrepid?

2008-08-13 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 09:32:31AM +1000, Chris Jones wrote: > I've been following the development of ext4 for what seems like an > eternity. > > >From what I understand, the latest Fedora 9 release features ext4 > support. So too do many other popular distros. And what I can't > understand is why

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-13 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 07:41:18AM +0800, Onno Benschop wrote: > > >> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:52:25AM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > >> > >>> == Filesystem checking / AutoFsck == > >>> > >>> A suggestion was made to the technical bo

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 06:17:36PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > ti, 2008-08-12 kello 15:07 +0100, Matt Zimmerman kirjoitti: > > Indeed. The best we could do in a scenario like this would be to flag the > > filesystem dirty so that it gets checked the next time it's possibl

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 02:59:22PM +0100, Alexander Jones wrote: > 2008/8/12 Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > A way to avoid that would be to set up systems with LVM, and use an LVM > > snapshot volume for running fsck. This would give fsck a frozen snapshot > > of the system, and should wor

Re: Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 08:57:36PM +1000, Ian Chennell wrote: > > > Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 02:09:19PM -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:52:25AM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > > > Some of the o

Automatic fsck

2008-08-12 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 02:09:19PM -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote: > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:52:25AM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > == Filesystem checking / AutoFsck == > > > > A suggestion was made to the technical board that Ubuntu could be smarter > > abo

Re: Call for testing empathy

2008-08-11 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:26:56AM -0700, Dane Mutters wrote: > Hello. > > I've been following along with this empathy discussion, and for my own > testing purposes have made some hardy packages for empathy (and all its > deps that aren't found in the repos). I would like to upload them to my > p

Re: Call for testing empathy

2008-08-11 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 10:12:57PM +0200, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Empathy[1] will be part of the upcoming GNOME 2.24 desktop. > The ubuntu desktop team considers using it instead of Pidgin for > intrepid as default IM client. If you are running intrepid, please give > empat

Re: Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (desktop)

2008-08-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 10:42:02AM +0200, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 03:16 -0400, Nagin Chand wrote: > > 3. Even in one of the most ommon software, openoffice, it installs only a > > subset of that is available on the DVD. For example it does not install the > > base (databas

Re: unzip wrong character in some multibyte environment

2008-08-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 05:46:40AM +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote: > Hi Santiago, > > On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:07:32 +0200 (CEST) > Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not very happy with this merge. Have you verified that the Ubuntu > > patch fixes all the reported symptoms in the four bugs

Re: passwd -l

2008-08-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:27:17AM +0200, Thilo Six wrote: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shadow/+bug/238755 > > > > summary: > > * cronjobs are broken for system that has a 'passwd -l root' with hardy >http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/330437 > > * the implemata

Re: Did we really release 8.04?

2008-07-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 12:10:45PM +0300, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote: > Matt Zimmerman wrote: >> If you were unaware that this was going on, perhaps we could do a better job >> of communicating this type of effort with the public. > > I would suggest a kind of summa

Re: LTS and release methodology

2008-07-10 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 01:45:55PM +0200, Pär Lidén wrote: > 2008/7/8 Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > There is a 'regression' tag, and we do try to prioritize these on an ad-hoc > > basis, but understand that with such incomplete information, it&#

Re: LTS and release methodology

2008-07-10 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:13:00AM +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: > 2008/7/9 Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > As far as I'm aware, Windows provides no tools or infrastructure to make > > this easier. It is completely up to the ISV how their software is >

Re: LTS and release methodology

2008-07-09 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 11:20:06AM -0400, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In my opinion, nothing as esoteric as alternatives should be exposed in the > > desktop, any more than should reordering s

Re: LTS and release methodology

2008-07-09 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 10:19:46AM -0400, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 4:43 AM, Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 09:47:56AM +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: > >> There is already system for handling that - /etc/a

Re: LTS and release methodology

2008-07-09 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 09:47:56AM +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: > 2008/7/8 Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> [package multiple versions of everything] > > > > This sounds simple enough, but the implementation gets complex very quickly, > > as does fut

Re: LTS and release methodology

2008-07-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 04:13:23PM +0200, Pär Lidén wrote: > 2008/7/8 Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 01:00:00PM -0500, Luke L wrote: > > > Ceteris paribus, regressions should have a higher priority than normal > > > bugs. I

Re: LTS and release methodology

2008-07-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 04:54:46PM +0300, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: > > This is easy to say, but consider carefully what it would mean in practice. > > How could we implement such a policy in Ubuntu? Before we can even begin to > > estimate the effort required in order to achieve this, we would nee

Re: LTS and release methodology

2008-07-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 07:48:03PM +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > Il giorno lun, 07/07/2008 alle 18.04 +0100, Matt Zimmerman ha scritto: > > > > Instead, we focus on defining a subset of functionality which can be > > tested in practice. You can find the correspo

Re: LTS and release methodology

2008-07-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 10:38:01AM +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: > 2008/7/7 Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 10:43:44AM -0500, Luke L wrote: > >> --New software should not be included simply because it is new, quite the > >> opp

Re: LTS and release methodology

2008-07-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 01:00:00PM -0500, Luke L wrote: > Ceteris paribus, regressions should have a higher priority than normal > bugs. I totally agree. It's hard to argue with that, but again, I have to look at this pragmatically. It is very rarely possible to tell just by looking at a bug whet

LTS and release methodology

2008-07-07 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 10:43:44AM -0500, Luke L wrote: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=769112 > > NOW people realize that something is wrong with the dev cycle! > > Introduction > Ubuntu is in the top tier of Linux distributions. Even since I started using > it (6.10), a great amount

Re: Did we really release 8.04?

2008-07-07 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 08:30:28AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > This is not sustainable in the long term. Before long people will be > saying, "Everyone know not to upgrade Ubuntu until the first point > release". Then we don't get the end user base to test until .1 and we have > to bugfix

Re: Should default keyboard be based on location?

2008-06-07 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 03:08:36AM +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > Il giorno mar, 27/05/2008 alle 01.07 +0100, Colin Watson ha scritto: > > > > Fortunately, it is. Installations selecting a location in the UK > > default > > to a UK keyboard mapping; installations selecting a location in Italy >

Re: Proposal: cdrkit vs. cdrtools

2008-02-07 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 03:17:11PM +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > as I wrote on http://www.sourcecode.de/content/cdrkit-vs-cdrtools I > really wonder what way we should go. > > Regarding the non-freeness of cdrtools, we should concentrate on getting > the cdrkit binaries to

Re: Securely downloading Ubuntu

2008-01-29 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 12:00:56PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > Signing a message generally actually amounts to taking some hash of it > and signing that; you don't run expensive algorithms like RSA over the > whole message. Since the MD5 hashes are useful to expose anyway, I don't > see any crypto

Re: Securely downloading Ubuntu

2008-01-29 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 10:39:03AM -0700, Neal McBurnett wrote: > On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 05:20:52PM +0000, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 09:28:48AM -0700, Neal McBurnett wrote: > > > > (I'm all in favor of moving to SHA256 or whatever is considered b

Re: Securely downloading Ubuntu

2008-01-28 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 09:28:48AM -0700, Neal McBurnett wrote: > > (I'm all in favor of moving to SHA256 or whatever is considered best > > practice these days. I've just not heard that MD5 is really as broken as > > I think Chris suggests here.) > > One easy thing to do is to also publish sha256

Re: Strawman: merge main and universe

2007-12-14 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 10:24:56PM +, Scott James Remnant wrote: > The distinction between main and universe is instead done based on > "support". But what does this actually mean? Our terminology on this needs a bit of cleanup, but the relevant distinction here is "maintenance". This means

Re: Kickseed, Kickstart, Preseed

2007-12-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 08:43:34PM -0800, MJang wrote: > Folks, > > Wondering where Ubuntu is going w/r/t automated installations. I see > bits on Kickseed, but nothing in Gutsy. I see per > https://launchpad.net/kickseed/ that it was in Feisty. > > Perhaps the focus is on Kickstart or Preseed?

Re: Hardy Alpha 1 released

2007-12-03 Thread Matt Zimmerman
(This message was mistakenly approved by an ubuntu-devel-announce moderator. That list is for announcements only, and discussion should take place here) Ubuntu has included the madwifi stack for years. If it doesn't support your particular device properly, please file a bug in Launchpad with spec

Re: Access denied (403) when trying to fetch security updates for Dapper

2007-11-18 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 08:28:54AM -0500, Forest Bond wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 03:57:59PM +0000, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 11:24:07AM -0400, Cody A.W. Somerville wrote: > > > It seems like there has been a lot of complaints ab

Re: Access denied (403) when trying to fetch security updates for Dapper

2007-11-17 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 11:24:07AM -0400, Cody A.W. Somerville wrote: > It seems like there has been a lot of complaints about how the > update-manager handles the 403 error. Considering the only time the 403 > would normally occur is this situation, maybe the update manager could be > smarter abou

Re: Access denied (403) when trying to fetch security updates for Dapper

2007-11-17 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 12:57:32PM +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: > > Am 17.11.2007 um 11:33 schrieb Matt Zimmerman: > >> - This regression only affects specific configurations (apparently those >> using the deprecated smbfs module) > > Obviously a pretty common configu

Re: Access denied (403) when trying to fetch security updates for Dapper

2007-11-17 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 12:14:41PM +0100, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: > Matt Zimmerman napisał(a): > > Preparing and testing a new update is something which takes time, and should > > not be rushed. This temporary emergency measure (which is admittedly > > confusing for us

Re: Access denied (403) when trying to fetch security updates for Dapper

2007-11-17 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 08:21:54PM +1100, Serge de Souza wrote: > See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/163042 > > basically a bad push and permissions were changed on the debs to > prevent them from being downloaded. > > Wouldn't a new release without the broken packages fix t

Re: apt-cacher in main

2007-11-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 01:05:01PM +0100, Oliver Grawert wrote: > in edubuntu we face the fact that governments and schools start rolling > out really huge deployments in the near future (see macedonia with a > total of 185000 systems for example), if you maintain 5000 seats in one > school or 1000

Re: apt-cacher in main + apt-zeroconf

2007-11-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 12:53:14PM -0500, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: > If this was actually checked against a local web of trust (like > OpenPGP or Gaim-OTR keys or else) it may become interesting. But who > uses that "safely" ? :) All packages downloaded by APT are authenticated using PGP keys provi

Re: A tricky situation in malone bug 60995

2007-10-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Oct 20, 2007 at 06:17:24PM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: > On Sat, 2007-10-20 at 17:27 -0700, Martin Olsson wrote: > > > I really really would like to see "BACKSPACE as BACK" working in > > Firefox. I think this is the kind of polish bug that makes a lot of > > people stay away from

Re: Hibernate and Restriced Drivers (Was: 4 More days...)

2007-10-19 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 04:25:14PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 09:33:22PM +0200, Paulus Esterhazy wrote: > > > This bug, or this group of bugs, will be a source of annoyance to many > > users. Basically, when you use restricted drivers (both NVidia and ATI), > > your sy

Re: Position on large GPLed programs

2007-09-12 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Sep 08, 2007 at 01:17:27PM +1200, Aaron Whitehouse wrote: > What is the current position on big, GPLed programs? Do we just > package anything GPL and then modify our approach when/if mirrors > start to complain? I'm a bit confused by the question. What does the license have to do with it

Re: Announcement: One Click Installer

2007-08-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 07:19:23PM +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: > OK, now I understand what you mean. > > Yes, you can provide One Click Installer installation file which has > only information which package to install and does not contain any > repository information. This should cover the sec

Re: Announcement: One Click Installer

2007-08-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 05:14:01PM +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: > Matt Zimmerman napisał(a): > > On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 04:58:21PM +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: > >> Matt Zimmerman napisał(a): > >>> On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 09:57:42PM +0200, Krzysztof Lic

Re: Announcement: One Click Installer

2007-08-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 04:58:21PM +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: > Matt Zimmerman napisał(a): > > On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 09:57:42PM +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: > >> Matt Zimmerman napisał(a): > >>> This provides the experience of locating the software on the

Re: Announcement: One Click Installer

2007-08-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 09:57:42PM +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: > Matt Zimmerman napisał(a): > >> So Ubuntu could just provide signed files for applications hosted in its > >> repository, signed with its key for use by everyone else. Files would be > >> hosted on U

Re: Announcement: One Click Installer

2007-08-07 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 08:36:23PM +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: > Creator of One Click Installer installation file decides which > repository will be used. If the application is available in Ubuntu > repository I do not see the point why he would prefer to point to some > other repository. > >

Re: Announcement: One Click Installer

2007-08-07 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 07:01:35PM +0200, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: > I would like to share with you the project I have been working for some > time now which I think could help solving bug #1. > > The problem: > - Users coming from Windows (and in general beginners) want installation > of applicat

Re: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Fwd: Draining the font swamp

2007-05-28 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 08:52:48AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > (sorry for the crosspost. Please reduce if inappropriate) Thanks for cross-posting; this issue applies to Debian as well, and we would appreciate input from the Debian community. I wasn't aware of pkg-fonts-devel. -- - mdz -

Re: [Pkg-fonts-devel] Draining the font swamp

2007-05-28 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 12:36:53AM +0100, Angus Lees wrote: > Note that fontconfig, freetype and xft are different libraries designed to > work together - and listing them as separate font pieces like thats a > problem is a bit inaccurate. I didn't intend to imply that there was any problem with f

Re: URGENT !!! : [USN-464-1] Linux kernel vulnerabilities

2007-05-27 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 11:22:30PM +0200, Thilo Six wrote: > Matt Zimmerman wrote the following on 27.05.2007 22:48 > > >> now i > >> $ aptitude install linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic > >> > >> and now nvidia is broken !! > > > > Y

Re: New applet at gnome panel

2007-05-27 Thread Matt Zimmerman
You have misunderstood. Lumír is not asking how to get this applet into Ubuntu. It sounds like the question is how to customize the CD to include this additional applet by default. I believe some documentation already exists, as well as some tools. On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 08:07:40PM +0800, DULM

Re: URGENT !!! : [USN-464-1] Linux kernel vulnerabilities

2007-05-27 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 10:31:37AM +0200, Thilo Six wrote: > now i > $ aptitude install linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic > > and now nvidia is broken !! You installed the new kernel, but forgot to install the corresponding restricted-modules package. -- - mdz -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing lis

Re: [USN-464-1] Linux kernel vulnerabilities

2007-05-27 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 11:27:45PM +0200, Thilo Six wrote: > Hello > > The kernel security update [USN-464-1] is missing s.th. This is known to the security team, and being worked on. -- - mdz -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsub

Re: Draining the font swamp

2007-05-25 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, May 25, 2007 at 01:31:08PM +0200, Jan Claeys wrote: > Op zaterdag 19-05-2007 om 12:34 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Matt > Zimmerman: > > There has been some confusion and dissatisfaction over the treatment > > of fonts in Ubuntu for a some time now, and no common unders

Re: Technical Board meeting minutes, 2007-05-22

2007-05-25 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 07:07:23PM +0200, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote: > On do, 2007-05-24 at 15:01 +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 06:20:58PM +0200, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote: > > > On di, 2007-05-22 at 21:59 +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > &

Re: Technical Board meeting minutes, 2007-05-22

2007-05-24 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 06:20:58PM +0200, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote: > On di, 2007-05-22 at 21:59 +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > The members of the Board recognized that they have been inconsistent > > about keeping minutes and thereby communicating decisions to the

Re: Draining the font swamp

2007-05-24 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 10:59:42PM -0500, Ming Hua wrote: > I believe the general consensus among Chinese users is that bitmap fonts > are preferred for small font size. Do the xfonts-* fonts fall into these categories? I'm not sure what character set they cover. -- - mdz -- Ubuntu-devel-dis

Re: Draining the font swamp

2007-05-24 Thread Matt Zimmerman
I received this reply off-list; it was only sent to pkg-fonts-devel. Copying back to ubuntu-* as well, as it's very informative. -- - mdz --- Begin Message --- pgpFnfiU3AlJz.pgp Description: PGP message --- End Message --- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu

Re: Draining the font swamp

2007-05-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 10:52:46AM -0400, Phillip Susi wrote: > Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > - Xfont, which provides font services (including selection and rendering) > > through the X server. This is basically obsolete in favour of client-side > > fonts. > > Why is t

Draining the font swamp

2007-05-19 Thread Matt Zimmerman
There has been some confusion and dissatisfaction over the treatment of fonts in Ubuntu for a some time now, and no common understanding of how to improve the situation. I spent a little time thinking about this today, and would like to present some questions whose answers I hope will help us to m

Re: Broken Packages & Dependencies

2007-05-19 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 12:39:21PM +0200, Thilo Six wrote: > Alec Wright wrote the following on 19.05.2007 12:10: > > > Is anyone else having these problems in gutsy: http://pastebin.ca/496576 > > Should I file a bug report? > > Broken dependencies are quite usual in development releases. > e.g.

Re: Putting security-based applications as a separate menu entry rather than in Accessories

2007-05-17 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 12:49:50AM +0530, shirish wrote: > Hi all, > What do you guys think of putting things like keyring manager, > GPA (GNU Privacy Assistant), Seahorse, and other security-based > softwares in a separate menu entry titled Security where all > security-based tools including

Re: Ubuntu Mobile and Embedded Edition

2007-05-16 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 11:21:24AM +0100, Ben Francis wrote: > In the Ubuntu Weekly News: Issue #39 there was an announcement of the > Ubuntu Mobile and Embedded Edition. The link to the mailing list > announcement was broken and I think it should have been > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ub

Re: xmms into universe?

2007-05-16 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 10:07:59PM +0200, Jan Claeys wrote: > Op dinsdag 15-05-2007 om 10:47 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Matt > Zimmerman: > > It is unfortunate to have to cripple xmms simply for the sake of moving it > > to universe. The ideal way to fix this would be to

Re: Jackd - update 7.04 repository with version 0.103.0 compiled with default tmpdir=/dev/shm

2007-05-08 Thread Matt Zimmerman
7.04 has already been released, and will now only be updated for security and high-impact bug fixes. If UbuntuStudio requires newer software, it must either be based on gutsy, or use a supplementary repository (such as feisty-backports, or a dedicated repository of your own, perhaps hosted in Laun

Re: Bug #96084

2007-04-30 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Apr 27, 2007 at 09:38:05PM -0700, William Tracy wrote: > > > if the bug is already fixed on repositories, he > > > could just do an > > > update on the LiveCD before installing. > > I was just playing with some other OSes. > > Debian checks for package updates as part of the default insta

Re: Proposal: Ubuntu Metadistribution

2007-04-27 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 01:27:52PM +0200, Gueven Bay wrote: > No, this not an abstract thing. And no, there are not "many free operating > systems based on Ubuntu" (SIC! > because Ubuntu is basing on an operating system) : There is only one at this > moment: Linux (or better GNU/Linux). > With m

Re: texlive

2007-04-27 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 11:36:11AM -0700, Micah Cowan wrote: > Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > As always, I think it's best to hold any discussion on ubuntu-devel until > > it's clear that there is a need for a new list. Otherwise, you risk > > creating an underactive li

Re: Proposal: Ubuntu Metadistribution

2007-04-26 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Apr 21, 2007 at 08:13:13AM +0200, Gueven Bay wrote: > > So what is it that you are proposing specifically? > What I want is to combine the worlds of several free operating systems with > the "philosophy" of Ubuntu: > ease of use, shiny new releases every eye blink , cool community, "busine

Re: texlive

2007-04-26 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 12:46:25PM -0700, Jordan Mantha wrote: > Matt Zimmerman wrote: > I'll have time to give him a hand). My concern was actually more dealing > with the broken deps and invariable upgrade/install issues that people > seem to have with a transition like this. I

Re: texlive

2007-04-25 Thread Matt Zimmerman
to coordinate with > core-devs and do Main Inclusion Reports. I wonder if we need a spec for > this? Perhaps Matt Zimmerman or Martin Pitt could give us some guidence > here. A main inclusion report should be sufficient; if Debian has made the package dependency transition then that shou

Re: Proposal: Ubuntu Metadistribution

2007-04-20 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 03:47:16PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello dear Ubuntu community, > > Here I want to propose the development of > > > Ubuntu Metadistribution Your description roughly matches the way that Ubuntu is already structured. That is, I don't see any work to be done on

Re: Don't install irrelevant character set fonts

2007-04-13 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 04:40:36PM +0200, Milan wrote: > Hi ! > > If you give a look at your OpenOffice.org Writer fonts list, you will > notice that it starts with 40 fonts whose names begin with "ae_". These > fonts are designed for Arabic, Japanese, etc. character sets, and thus > aren't really

Re: Standardised Hardware Support Spec - Please Review

2007-04-06 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 04:37:19PM +0100, Alex Jones wrote: > On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 15:20 +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > > Similarly, I don't see how a new set of metapackages for every supported > > > > device (even if that were possible) helps to simplify th

Re: Standardised Hardware Support Spec - Please Review

2007-04-06 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 02:36:50PM +0100, Alex Jones wrote: > On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 14:03 +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > Your proposal seemed to call for one: "something not too unlike the > > Restricted Drivers manager". > > Right, but then you don't /need/

Re: Standardised Hardware Support Spec - Please Review

2007-04-06 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 08:56:32AM +0100, Alex Jones wrote: > On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 21:39 +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 09:24:19PM +0100, Alex Jones wrote: > > > (As a side thought, I'm not sure what constitutes "common" hardware, but &g

Re: Standardised Hardware Support Spec - Please Review

2007-04-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 09:24:19PM +0100, Alex Jones wrote: > (As a side thought, I'm not sure what constitutes "common" hardware, but > I for one don't know a single person who owns a Palm device.) I can see two or three Treos from here. Whether they work with gnome-pilot is another story, but i

Re: Standardised Hardware Support Spec - Please Review

2007-04-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 12:57:06PM +0100, Alex Jones wrote: > This comes about as more and more people question why their computer > starts bluetooth services when they don't have a bluetooth device, or > why I have a HP printer driver control panel applet, or a Palm Pilot > sync applet, or PCMCIA

Re: feisty + GUI performance in VMware player

2007-04-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 11:15:23AM +0200, Petr Hrdlička wrote: > Hello Team, > > since last updates from this morning, yesterday and last Partial Update I'm > experiencing very low performance of GUI. This drives me little bit crazy. > Even the mouse cursor isn't moving smoothly. I'm running fei

Re: Error in wiki page DebuggingProgramCrash?

2007-03-29 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 07:11:23PM +0200, Christoffer Sørensen wrote: > Hi, > > I noticed the following on the wiki page > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash > > "Install the needed .debs (they will be in the current working > directory if the build succeeded): > > sudo debi *.changes

Re: Ubuntu Policy on binary driver bugs

2007-03-28 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 12:10:29AM +0100, Sitsofe Wheeler wrote: > After reading yet another series of threads regarding the NVIDIA binary > drivers I would like to ask: "What the Ubuntu position is towards binary > driver bugs?". Does Ubuntu take a similar stance to Red Hat whereupon > the moment

Re: feisty beta: broken dependencies

2007-03-27 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:54:36AM +0800, Wenzhuo Zhang wrote: > This is not a real problem. The aptitude UI prompted dependancy problems upon > start. After I applied its suggestions, all the above Broken flags are gone. > Aptitude didn't install any packages in the process. Could it be a bug of

Re: libgimme and libwps

2007-03-27 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 02:15:31AM -0600, Conrad Knauer wrote: > Also, for a little while libwps (very useful for those of us with old > word processing docs locked away in that format) was a dependency of > openoffice.org but its not anymore... what changed with that? The changelog doesn't have a

Re: libgimme and libwps

2007-03-27 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 11:40:18AM +0100, Sebastian Heinlein wrote: > Am Samstag, den 24.03.2007, 02:15 -0600 schrieb Conrad Knauer: > > Just out of curiosity, I note in the beta that it tries to find codecs > > *without* libgimme installed... and further that its not the > > dependency of anythin

Re: Bug Tags, especially 'bitesize'

2007-03-15 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 12:47:58PM +0100, Daniel Holbach wrote: > Hello everybody, > > a lot of teams have been using the tags feature of Malone to better > organise their workflow. In an attempt to agree on common tags for the > same thing, the BugSquad, the MOTU team, the Desktop team and others

Re: gnome-cups-add - rename?

2007-03-07 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 07:09:20PM +, Alec Wright wrote: > If you got to system>>administration>>printing and click on add printer, > a window which looks like this pops up: > http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotgnomecupsaddjg3.jpg > > gnome-cups-add not a particularly user

Re: Release notes should warn against installing Ubuntu on old machines

2007-03-07 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 10:12:15PM +, Sitsofe Wheeler wrote: > Ubuntu can have serious problem when installed on machines whose BIOSes > cannot read files past the 1023rd cylinder. This is a well known problem > and there have been a fair few reports of this problem listed on the > forums as we

Re: Activating the CUPS snmp backend in Ubuntu Feisty

2007-03-07 Thread Matt Zimmerman
I recommend that it be reviewed, with your proposal in mind, by Kees Cook from the security team, if he has not already examined it. On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 11:33:31PM +, Till Kamppeter wrote: > Hi, > > on the IRC I talked with pitti about activating the CUPS backends which > were de-activate

Re: Herd 3/4/5 Testing Result (one show stopper bug)

2007-03-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
That particular report hadn't seen a response yet, but it looks like a duplicate of bug #78255, which is confirmed and is being investigated by a developer. On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 05:46:46PM -0500, Matt Galvin wrote: > Hi, > > Apologies if this seems forward, I simply want to ensure the > develo

Re: GetDeb.net vs. Backports...

2007-03-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 01:16:44PM -0500, Michael R. Head wrote: > I just came across www.getdeb.net today. The goals appear to be similar > to those of the backports project (to provide the latest versions of > desktop apps for previously released versions of Ubuntu). > > However, they also have

Re: Java obviously not working

2007-03-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 04:28:53PM +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: > /tmp/isijp053E/bin/i386/native_threads/java: error while loading > shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object > file: No such file or directory This is running a Java VM included in the application, not

Re: Technical Board decisions

2007-02-28 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:49:51PM +, Matthew East wrote: > On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 09:31 -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > >* However, new infrastructure will be implemented which allows the user > > to > > trivially enable both enhanced desktop effects and

Re: More explicit names for iso images ?

2007-02-23 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 04:08:03PM +, john levin wrote: > Laurent wrote: > > Hello > > > > > >Now, every iso files of feisty (for instance) are named > > feisty-desktop-i386.iso. > > This is the same name for Ubuntu Herd-3 and Kubuntu Herd-4. > > > > I think that names shou

Re: SPARC port (was Re: Technical Board decisions)

2007-02-13 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 04:31:16AM +, Caroline Ford wrote: > SPARC is ambiguous. I'm not sure what you mean by a SPARC10 - if you > mean SPARCstation 10 then we don't have support from those (10 years > old+ 32bit machines). Debian does in its SPARC port, as does *BSD. > > What Ubuntu calls

Re: TV Out SVideo support

2007-02-13 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 03:37:57PM +, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote: > I would like to know if there has been any new development for this topic? > This is the last thing that I need to have working, so I can say that > I can do anything on Linux that I did on Windows. This is a complex issue wh

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