CAB loss, fake logins etc

2009-02-14 Thread Alex Cockell
Hi folks Umm -please forgive me, but you mention that removing the Ctrl-Alt-Backspace three-key-salute was proposed for removal two years ago... Has this been made absolutely clear to preinstall manufacturers in time for them to print new manuals? Also - I am running 8.04LTS, and I bought thi

Re: Fake login screens

2009-02-14 Thread Chris Cheney
Even if Alt+SysRq+K does work for you it will likely cause your console (eg Alt F1-F6) to not work again until reboot, because it doesn't cleanly shut down the xserver like C-A-B does. I used it once recently after C-A-B was disabled by default and it worked well enough to get X back but after that

Re: Fake login screens

2009-02-14 Thread Dane Mutters
On Sat, 2009-02-14 at 20:37 -0500, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Saturday 14 February 2009 8:31:17 pm Mike Jones wrote: > > But I've tried Alt+SysRq+K on many different computer systems I have > > access to. It doesn't seem to do anything. Could you please explain what I'm > > doing wrong? Or he

Re: Fake login screens

2009-02-14 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Saturday 14 February 2009 8:31:17 pm Mike Jones wrote: > But I've tried Alt+SysRq+K on many different computer systems I have > access to. It doesn't seem to do anything. Could you please explain what I'm > doing wrong? Or help me find out if I should file a bug report? File a bug, then. D

Re: Fake login screens

2009-02-14 Thread Mike Jones
a kernelspace way around this one. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/attachments/20090214/62c5c224/attachment.pgp> -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-14 Thread Remco
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Remco wrote: > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: >> Can someone tell me how will I protect myself from fake login screens in >> multi-user ubuntu setups? Even my office machine is multi-user! > > It took me a while to figure out what you m

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-14 Thread Remco
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > Can someone tell me how will I protect myself from fake login screens in > multi-user ubuntu setups? Even my office machine is multi-user! It took me a while to figure out what you meant by this, but yeah! That's actually a pretty nasty

Re: Fake login screens

2009-02-14 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Saturday 14 February 2009 5:43:20 pm Mario Vukelic wrote: > On Sat, 2009-02-14 at 16:52 -0500, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > > > > And *YOU* are missing the point that Ctrl+Alt+Delete on Ubuntu > > *already* does what Windows does when you hit Ctrl+Alt+Delete but are > > actually already logged in:

Re: Fake login screens

2009-02-14 Thread Mario Vukelic
On Sat, 2009-02-14 at 16:52 -0500, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > > And *YOU* are missing the point that Ctrl+Alt+Delete on Ubuntu > *already* does what Windows does when you hit Ctrl+Alt+Delete but are > actually already logged in: it asks if you want to log out. Nope it does not. The windows *kernel

Re: Fake login screens

2009-02-14 Thread Christopher Halse Rogers
This is what the kernel killswitch sysrq[1] key is for (but without the security guarantees). If you read the documentation, it's very much what you're after - killing all processes on the current VT, and without the ability for people to remap it away. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysR

Re: Fake login screens

2009-02-14 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Saturday 14 February 2009 12:54:03 pm Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > However, it seems to me that nobody is getting the point about fake > login screens: if I am an *user* of somebody else's network, how can I > protect myself from another *user* faking a login screen, used as the > only running X

Re: Fake login screens

2009-02-14 Thread Thomas Jaeger
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > However, it seems to me that nobody is getting the point about fake > login screens: if I am an *user* of somebody else's network, how can I > protect myself from another *user* faking a login screen, used as the > only running X application, and stealing my password?

Re: Fake login screens

2009-02-14 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On 14/02/2009 Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > > However I give up: it seems to me that nobody is going to admit this > is > changing something important in the security of multi-user systems, > even > though this seems very obvious to me, so please excuse me for the > intromission, and do whatever

Re: Fake login screens

2009-02-14 Thread Fergal Daly
2009/2/14 Peteris Krisjanis : > 2009/2/14 Vincenzo Ciancia : >> On 14/02/2009 Felipe Figueiredo wrote: >>> As others said, more than once in this thread, the change is >>> reversible. >>> There will be a package to install so you don't have to edit your >>> xorg.conf. >> >> I will keep myself infor

Re: Fake login screens

2009-02-14 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On 14/02/2009 Peteris Krisjanis wrote: > You have evidence that such scenario could happen or even is happened? > Or you just speculate? Anything can be faked in this world, specially > on computers. CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE can't be faked, I believe. Whatever else you can fake, you have to do it under

Missing packages and other packages matters

2009-02-14 Thread Juhana Sadeharju
Hello. I downloaded latest Ubuntu at last July/August but still I'm missing GTK 2.0 development environment. Full list of the current missing packages are at the end. Some of the packages were claimed to be in the DVD but they were not. I'm unable to install the now-latest Ubuntu, please patch the

Re: Fake login screens

2009-02-14 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2009/2/14 Vincenzo Ciancia : > On 14/02/2009 Felipe Figueiredo wrote: >> As others said, more than once in this thread, the change is >> reversible. >> There will be a package to install so you don't have to edit your >> xorg.conf. > > I will keep myself informed but I expected that ubuntu-devel-di

Fake login screens

2009-02-14 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On 14/02/2009 Felipe Figueiredo wrote: > As others said, more than once in this thread, the change is > reversible. > There will be a package to install so you don't have to edit your > xorg.conf. I will keep myself informed but I expected that ubuntu-devel-discuss was also a place to discuss t

keeping informed onthefly (Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no. )

2009-02-14 Thread Felipe Figueiredo
Vincenzo Ciancia escreveu: > I see, but did I miss the thread or why such big changes are not > publicized in early stages? Announces of the planned changes or > something like that? Is there some web page I should monitor that will > explain the planned changes for jaunty+1? I may be just ignor

GDM upgrade questions

2009-02-14 Thread Dylan McCall
Hi, I suddenly noticed the spec for upgrading GDM[1] to the awesome new version. Excellent! I've been running gdm-new from a PPA for a while now. It may not do themes, but that is easily offset by the fact that it looks like the rest of my desktop already and has really smooth animations. I could

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-14 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Mario Vukelic ha scritto: > On Sat, 2009-02-14 at 16:18 +0100, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: >> I see, but did I miss the thread or why such big changes are not >> publicized in early stages? > > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty ? > > Fine, I did not know. Will look at the blueprints f

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-14 Thread Mario Vukelic
On Sat, 2009-02-14 at 16:18 +0100, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > I see, but did I miss the thread or why such big changes are not > publicized in early stages? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty ? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify setting

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-14 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Scott Kitterman ha scritto: > On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:24:32 +0100 Vincenzo Ciancia > wrote: >> I typically am the guy that persuades friends using linux that the new >> *DEFAULT* choices ubuntu makes in every release are good even though >> they look like evil. But this time I don't really have

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:24:32 +0100 Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: >I typically am the guy that persuades friends using linux that the new >*DEFAULT* choices ubuntu makes in every release are good even though >they look like evil. But this time I don't really have a justification. > Vincenzo, You will

status of Smart pckage manager in ubuntu 9.10 and latest

2009-02-14 Thread wire64
Hello. I'm interested in Ubuntu project. The only thing which anoy me a lot is a Debian package management system, especially apt and aptitude. There is a info in Ubuntu wiki about Smart package manager and it development funded by Canonical. Thee is also mentioned, that smartpm will replace apt

Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea? - no.

2009-02-14 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On 13/02/2009 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > The fact is, many things are easier to fix afterwards. > Particularly because that's the only time you'll find people > motivated enough to bother about it. If you were to need to fix > everything before-the-fact, nothing fundamental would