On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Andrew Starr-Bochicchio
wrote:
>> - Since it's settings are separate from Unity a "unity --reset"
>> doesn't fix it, you have to blow away .compiz or some other dotfile
>> directories to get a desktop back.
>
> Is this true? I just tested this by exporting my compi
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
>> If anything this is a great improvement for power users that want to
>> configure unity but don't want to risk using an unsupported tool.
>
> And a huge step back until MyUnity reaches feature parity with CCSM.
A huge step back in what? I
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Oli Warner wrote:
> By that logic we should probably remove:
>
> rm
> mv
> sudo
> nano
> ...
>
> They're all installed by default. CCSM isn't and you can do a lot more
> damage with any of those than CCSM alone.
Those are well documented stable tools that do exact
On 27/01/2012 06:16, Jorge O. Castro wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
>> I definitely will miss it, and I'm sure I won't be the only one. If CCSM was
>> removed from Ubuntu, it'll most probably make it into a PPA. Then the
>> situation
>> won't change much, apart fr
On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 20:49 -0500, Jason J. Herne wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Oli Warner wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Marc Deslauriers
>
> - If CCSM is killing compiz the new compiz-monitoring logic
> should
> swoop in and clean
On Fri, 2012-01-27 at 01:40 +, Oli Warner wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Marc Deslauriers
> wrote:
> >> Of course, the correct way to solve this issue is far more complicated
> >> than just removing a package from the archive, it require solving
> >> bugs, bringing new code in Unity
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:10 AM, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> On 26 January 2012 19:57, Mathieu Comandon wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I strongly disagree on removing CCSM from the repos but more importantly
> I
> > want to make a point clear in this message. Deleting software from the
> > archive has never b
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Marc Deslauriers
wrote:
>> Of course, the correct way to solve this issue is far more complicated
>> than just removing a package from the archive, it require solving
>> bugs, bringing new code in Unity while avoiding unwanted side effects
>> on compiz and basicall
On 26 January 2012 19:57, Mathieu Comandon wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I strongly disagree on removing CCSM from the repos but more importantly I
> want to make a point clear in this message. Deleting software from the
> archive has never been the solution to fixing bugs and I can't see how it
> will ever be
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Jason J. Herne wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Oli Warner wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Marc Deslauriers
>> - If CCSM is killing compiz the new compiz-monitoring logic should
>> swoop in and clean up after it.
>>
>
> How about a "Ubuntu
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Oli Warner wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Marc Deslauriers
> - If CCSM is killing compiz the new compiz-monitoring logic should
> swoop in and clean up after it.
>
>
How about a "Ubuntu - Last Known Good Configuration" session, or detect a
Unity crash
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Marc Deslauriers
wrote:
>> Of course, the correct way to solve this issue is far more complicated
>> than just removing a package from the archive, it require solving
>> bugs, bringing new code in Unity while avoiding unwanted side effects
>> on compiz and basicall
>
>
> If someone would step up and fix CCSM so a novice user can't mess up
> their desktop with two mouse clicks, we wouldn't be having this
> discussion.
>
> Ok fine, I have some knowledge of PyGTK and I know the tool pretty well.
I'll have a look at the bug reports on Launchpad and I'll see what
On Fri, 2012-01-27 at 01:57 +0100, Mathieu Comandon wrote:
> One thing I agree with is that CCSM does not play well with Unity and,
> yes, it's very easy to mess your Unity install with it. But I'm not
> concerned by that, I don't use Unity. The fact that I don't use Unity
> doesn't mean that I wou
Hi,
I strongly disagree on removing CCSM from the repos but more importantly I
want to make a point clear in this message. Deleting software from the
archive has never been the solution to fixing bugs and I can't see how it
will ever be. I am a heavy user of CCSM and while I agree that it's far
fr
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Jorge O. Castro wrote:
> With tools like MyUnity now in universe, and didrocks putting basic
> configuration in the control panel I'd like to propose the removal of
> compizconfig-settingsmanager.
>
> I don't mean "stop telling people to use it" or "add a warning
On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 22:57 +0100, Jan Claeys wrote:
> Marc Deslauriers schreef op do 26-01-2012 om 12:26 [-0500]:
> > Those are the exact places that are telling novices to install CCSM in
> > the first place :P
>
> At least partially because Ubuntu *removed* the tools that allowed
> end-user-fr
Is it better to have no tool at all or a tool that breaks time to time
and blows up the whole house?
Why I use CCSM:
- to fix positions of some windows (I want Xchat on second screen, first
desktop, Thunderbird on my second desktop, ...).
- to tell compiz to display size info while windows are re
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Alan Bell wrote:
> I tell a lie, it *is* keyboard navigable, you can tab off the controls on
> the first page and get focus on all the hidden controls on the other pages
> (that you can't see because you are still looking at the first page) and you
> end up turning
On 26/01/12 23:14, Alan Bell wrote:
it is not keyboard navigable
I tell a lie, it *is* keyboard navigable, you can tab off the controls
on the first page and get focus on all the hidden controls on the other
pages (that you can't see because you are still looking at the first
page) and you end
On 26/01/12 22:55, Jan Claeys wrote:
Jorge O. Castro schreef op do 26-01-2012 om 11:28 [-0500]:
MyUnity is a better user-facing tool anyway for those that want to
play
Based on the screenshots I found, the auto-generated UI of CCSM for the
Unity plugin is actually better (more understandable by
Jorge O. Castro schreef op do 26-01-2012 om 11:28 [-0500]:
> MyUnity is a better user-facing tool anyway for those that want to
> play
Based on the screenshots I found, the auto-generated UI of CCSM for the
Unity plugin is actually better (more understandable by normal users)
than the MyUnity UI.
Alan Bell schreef op do 26-01-2012 om 17:21 [+]:
> The suggestion to drop ccsm as a whole does feel a bit like "Unity
> doesn't work right with other plugins, lets get rid of all the others"
> when educating Unity to play nice with it's friends would be a much
> better solution.
+1 on that
A
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
> I definitely will miss it, and I'm sure I won't be the only one. If CCSM was
> removed from Ubuntu, it'll most probably make it into a PPA. Then the
> situation
> won't change much, apart from more bad blood between Ubuntu and the said powe
Le 26/01/2012 17:28, Jorge O. Castro a écrit :
to propose the removal of
compizconfig-settingsmanager.
I don't mean "stop telling people to use it" or "add a warning", I
mean total removal from the archive until the tool is either better
tested or doesn't break people's configuration. Here are s
Marc Deslauriers schreef op do 26-01-2012 om 12:26 [-0500]:
> Those are the exact places that are telling novices to install CCSM in
> the first place :P
At least partially because Ubuntu *removed* the tools that allowed
end-user-friendly settings in recent releases...?
--
Jan Claeys
--
ubu
On 27/01/2012 04:19, Chris Coulson wrote:
> On 26/01/12 18:24, Micah Gersten wrote:
>>
>> On 01/26/2012 11:55 AM, Jorge O. Castro wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Micah Gersten wrote:
Because novices are using a power user tool does not mean we should
remove a power user tool
On 26/01/12 18:24, Micah Gersten wrote:
On 01/26/2012 11:55 AM, Jorge O. Castro wrote:
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Micah Gersten wrote:
Because novices are using a power user tool does not mean we should
remove a power user tool. I think attention just needs to be called to
the problem
On 01/26/2012 11:55 AM, Jorge O. Castro wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Micah Gersten wrote:
>> Because novices are using a power user tool does not mean we should
>> remove a power user tool. I think attention just needs to be called to
>> the problems that can be caused and what be
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Micah Gersten wrote:
> Because novices are using a power user tool does not mean we should
> remove a power user tool. I think attention just needs to be called to
> the problems that can be caused and what better tools exist for novice
> users. Places like askub
On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 11:24 -0600, Micah Gersten wrote:
> > CCSM breaks other desktops also, not just Unity, and novice users are
> > installing it to customize their desktop without being aware of the
> > damage they can cause. Other desktops should gain a reasonable settings
> > manager, much lik
On 26. jan. 2012 17:28, Jorge O. Castro wrote:
With tools like MyUnity now in universe, and didrocks putting basic
configuration in the control panel I'd like to propose the removal of
compizconfig-settingsmanager.
I don't mean "stop telling people to use it" or "add a warning", I
mean total rem
On 01/26/2012 11:17 AM, Marc Deslauriers wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 11:02 -0600, Micah Gersten wrote:
>> On 01/26/2012 10:28 AM, Jorge O. Castro wrote:
>>> With tools like MyUnity now in universe, and didrocks putting basic
>>> configuration in the control panel I'd like to propose the removal
On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 12:16 -0500, Andrew Starr-Bochicchio wrote:
> > - People report these bugs, and instead of fixing real bugs we have to
> > deal with corner case bugs for things we never plan on supporting.
>
> This is a very real problem, but simply getting rid of CCSM doesn't
> sound like t
On 26/01/12 16:28, Jorge O. Castro wrote:
- It's possible to accidentally uncheck the Unity plugin, breaking the
user's desktop.
Maybe make it a bit harder to do that, principally by removing the
depends on largedesktop. The reason people uncheck unity by accident is
because they want to turn o
On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 11:02 -0600, Micah Gersten wrote:
> On 01/26/2012 10:28 AM, Jorge O. Castro wrote:
> > With tools like MyUnity now in universe, and didrocks putting basic
> > configuration in the control panel I'd like to propose the removal of
> > compizconfig-settingsmanager.
> >
> > I don'
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Jorge O. Castro wrote:
> With tools like MyUnity now in universe, and didrocks putting basic
> configuration in the control panel I'd like to propose the removal of
> compizconfig-settingsmanager.
>
> I don't mean "stop telling people to use it" or "add a warning"
On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 16:48 +, Alan Bell wrote:
> On 26/01/12 16:28, Jorge O. Castro wrote:
> > With tools like MyUnity now in universe, and didrocks putting basic
> > configuration in the control panel I'd like to propose the removal of
> > compizconfig-settingsmanager.
> >
> How do we turn on
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Jorge O. Castro wrote:
> With tools like MyUnity now in universe, and didrocks putting basic
> configuration in the control panel I'd like to propose the removal of
> compizconfig-settingsmanager.
>
> I don't mean "stop telling people to use it" or "add a warning"
On 01/26/2012 10:28 AM, Jorge O. Castro wrote:
> With tools like MyUnity now in universe, and didrocks putting basic
> configuration in the control panel I'd like to propose the removal of
> compizconfig-settingsmanager.
>
> I don't mean "stop telling people to use it" or "add a warning", I
> mean
On 26/01/12 16:28, Jorge O. Castro wrote:
With tools like MyUnity now in universe, and didrocks putting basic
configuration in the control panel I'd like to propose the removal of
compizconfig-settingsmanager.
I don't mean "stop telling people to use it" or "add a warning", I
mean total removal
On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 11:28 -0500, Jorge O. Castro wrote:
> With tools like MyUnity now in universe, and didrocks putting basic
> configuration in the control panel I'd like to propose the removal of
> compizconfig-settingsmanager.
>
> I don't mean "stop telling people to use it" or "add a warning
With tools like MyUnity now in universe, and didrocks putting basic
configuration in the control panel I'd like to propose the removal of
compizconfig-settingsmanager.
I don't mean "stop telling people to use it" or "add a warning", I
mean total removal from the archive until the tool is either be
On 26 January 2012 04:55, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
wrote:
> 1) The indicator-applet-complete must be added to official Ubuntu
> repositories. JContis PPA has a working port. I've tested it for quite some
> time, and it works very well.
Yes, I hope that the fixed indicator-applet gets an official rele
I've written about Gnome Panel in Ubuntu before. I was wondering if
anyone is working on this, or if there are any plans to do so? My
thoughts (very short this time, I promise:));
Upstream Gnome has rebranded Gnome Panel as a fallback for Gnome Shell.
This includes default theme, the clock is
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