[Bug 650498] Re: Expansion: 'ẞ' LATIN CA PTIAL LETTER SHARP S (U+1E9E)

2010-11-20 Thread Bruno Maag
In many instances new letters were made up to represent a specific sound in a particular language that wasn't covered by the existing alphabet. The most obvious example are diacritics - which I would argue the R with tail is. Many of these characters came to life, particularly in Africa, during the

[Bug 650498] Re: Expansion: 'ẞ' LATIN CA PTIAL LETTER SHARP S (U+1E9E)

2010-11-29 Thread Bruno Maag
It is a joy to see how much emotions can be stirred by something as seemingly insignificant like a letter design! Irrespective of which is the prefered version discussed currently, I feel that hardly any of these sit comfortably with the capital letterforms. My feeling is tha the reason is precisel

[Bug 650498] Re: Expansion: 'ẞ' LATIN CA PTIAL LETTER SHARP S (U+1E9E)

2010-11-30 Thread Bruno Maag
Thorsten - like is too strong a word. I would put it as 'accepting'. :-) I agree that readers have expectations and that as a commercial type foundry I have to yield to such expectations to a certain degree. But at the same time it is our job as designers to improve a situation and I strongly beli

[Bug 650498] Re: Expansion: 'ẞ' LATIN CA PTIAL LETTER SHARP S (U+1E9E)

2010-12-01 Thread Bruno Maag
Paul: indeed what a great idea. Who knows, by the end of this exercise I might even become an Eszett advocate! ;-) -- Expansion: 'ẞ' LATIN CAPTIAL LETTER SHARP S (U+1E9E) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/650498 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is su

[Bug 650498] Re: Expansion: 'ẞ' LATIN CA PTIAL LETTER SHARP S (U+1E9E)

2010-12-03 Thread Bruno Maag
Gerhard: I am well aware of how the eszett is applied and how the preceding vowel is pronounced. I had to learn the eszett rule, and its many exceptions for four years, one hour a week as part of my training as a typesetter thirty years ago. I understand that the meaning of the word changes dramati

[Bug 650498] Re: Expansion: 'ẞ' LATIN CA PTIAL LETTER SHARP S (U+1E9E)

2010-11-23 Thread Bruno Maag
Joshua: I am not about to start the entire debate again, but your conclusion is somewhat offensive. It is just about the entire typographic community that questions the wisdom of it being long-s and z, instead of long-s and short-s. Paul: Yes, movement is good, thank you. And I am not going to ope

[Bug 650498] Re: Expansion: 'ẞ' LATIN CA PTIAL LETTER SHARP S (U+1E9E)

2010-11-23 Thread Bruno Maag
Joshua: apology accepted - my reaction was in response to the finality of your statement. I think, for the time being we agree to disagree and hopefully my capital versions will be persuasive. Thank you for your compliment - we're really excited working with the Canonical team, and of course the c

[Bug 650498] Re: Expansion: 'ẞ' LATIN CA PTIAL LETTER SHARP S (U+1E9E)

2010-11-08 Thread Bruno Maag
IMO, the addition of the cap Eszettt was idiotic in the first place. It is typographically and grammatically incorrect. The eszett is a lowercase ligature made up of long-s and short-s and, really, is a historical character. In the past other languages, incl English and French used to use an Eszett

[Bug 650498] Re: Expansion: 'ẞ' LATIN CA PTIAL LETTER SHARP S (U+1E9E)

2010-11-08 Thread Bruno Maag
Denis, I have no problems with people having freedom to decide what's right or wrong for them, as long as their actions do not affect the freedom of others. In the case of eszett, I believe that instead of adding a uppercase version, the Duden folks should have abandoned the lowercase eszett altoge

[Bug 650498] Re: Expansion: 'ẞ' LATIN CA PTIAL LETTER SHARP S (U+1E9E)

2010-11-08 Thread Bruno Maag
soc says: PS: Could we just leave out that ß-hating here? It has nothing to do with that particular topic here? I think it has very much to do with the topic at hand. It is about quality. As much as some people argue that a specific cap eszett should be designed we should equally consider the oppo

[Bug 650498] Re: Expansion: 'ẞ' LATIN CA PTIAL LETTER SHARP S (U+1E9E)

2010-11-08 Thread Bruno Maag
soc, please don't take my arguments as a personal affront.Like yourself, I have a strong opinion about this glyph - and I guess being Swiss doesn't help, since we would prefer to put this character into a parallel universe and then close the space-time rift forever. As I can't do much about the Un