@Benajmin,
Unfortunately your attitude exemplifies the problem.
I don't know how you define community, but Launchpad and all the people
posting here (and on the related bugs) are an obvious part of the
community of Ubuntu users. As are journalists, bloggers, and managers of
such sites as Distrowa
Benjamin.
I took great care in my posts *not* to criticise the state of the Ubuntu
community in any way at all. My criticisms with regard to engagement
were aimed at the seemingly high-handed approach of the leadership and
undesirability of forcing a half-finished and some would argue
fundamentall
@mr.goose
We do not measure community engagement based on Distrowatch rankings and
its trivial as to whether Distrowatch rankings are good for measurement
of anything and further we do not use sensationalized tech articles to
guage whether we are heading in the right direction especially since
tho
@Tal Liron...
I was not offering a solution to the core issues raised by this bug. I
was careful to describe my suggestions merely as "possible workarounds".
Having completely dumped Windows in favour of Ubuntu back in 2007, Unity
was very bad news indeed for us. We have paying customers who depen
@mr.goose, Marius
These are good options for power users, but do not solve the core issues
raised by this bug. To revise an idea I raised here before:
Perhaps on the login screen (LightDM) there should already be an option
to install additional desktops, using a very easy interface. Each
desktop
You forgot to include that Gnome (3?) is still available:
sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback
and
sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
that gives the LXDE desktop environment.
As well as some other more exotic window managers like packages
"fluxbox" and "icewm", some of which I think c
For those who dislike Unity intensely but do not want to leave the
Ubuntu community (yet) here are couple of possible workarounds that
might offer you the familiar look-and-feel you require.:-
1. sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
This will install the beautiful-looking and Windows7-like KDE4 de
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Goodly proposed question
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>From the wiki, "The idea is that bugs can be marked closed, so
developers aren't wasting time on them, but discussion can still be on-
going. " is quite closed IMO and this bug doesn't even appear in the
search results by fefault.
So, why has this bug been closed;marked as Opinion?
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I can second this bug. For example look at this Apache webdav bug:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/540747
This is a really nasty bug that makes webdav unusable if you need to
work with unix group permissions. They won't fix it for Lucid. They call
this "Long term support".
@Danillo (and @all)
What I liked very much about your comment are two things:
Firstly:
>If there still is activity in a bug and there's even people forking Unity to
>fix it, then the bug's not just someone's pet peeve, it's a real problem for a
>lot of users. Otherwise, the "affects me too" i
I'm just an Ubuntu user (been one for 3 and a half years) who believes
in the "Debian's arrow" and its philosophy and wants to see free
software everywhere, and I would like to add that contrarily to what
some people have been saying I am one of those who think that keeping
Compiz and going for Uni
> No, it's just that we don't have enough people to do the work
> and the number of users is higher than the number of people
> reading and replying to bugs filed by those users, it's as simple
> as that
This is where code re-use comes in quite handy; rather than reinventing
the wheel. gnome is
@s-roesgen
> First of all it would be nice to see here some answer to Tal's comment
#112, which includes some very good and valid points.
done
> You think that one should be silent and not complain further if it comes to
> certain bugs. They are marked as "won't fix" and
> should not be discus
Hey again, I can understand where people from but all those comments
overlook something easy and it goes down to that: "we don't have enough
developpers to reply to every bug report, explain every change which is
done, and talk to every community members in Ubuntu", the community is
just an order o
First of all it would be nice to see here some answer to Tal's comment
#112, which includes some very good and valid points. ANd I do not see
any sane and logical way to ignore the arguments he gives. But where is
the answer to the arguments he wrote?
Secondly, concerning kikl's comment (#113):
Yo
Oops! I'm embarrassed: in my previous comment (112) I refer to "the
Mark." It is a typo; I simply meant "Mark." Unfortunately, the typo is
suggestive of the angle of criticism that sees Unity as Mark's ego trip.
I'll state clearly that I firmly reject such criticism. I see no
evidence that any of t
Oh, I forgot to add. All power users should merely use the keyboard
shortcut "ubuntu-button" and "D" or "window ikon- AAHHRRG;-(" and
"D", in order to display/hide the Desktop.
All the best. I think "Tal Liron" genuinely cares about Ubuntu. Don't
loose him, he is a valuable contributor!
Regar
Well, I have followed this lively debate and it seems somewhat
unproductive. We users must accept that the design is not going to go
our way. "Won't" fix is a somewhat hard wording. Maybe something like,
"we won't do it", because we do not have the ressources, please do it
yourself or find someone
Mark,
You keep putting the blame on a straw target: people who refuse to
accept that their one pet bug is not being addressed. Sure, those people
exist, and you attitude concerning them is correct, if too abrupt in
tone. But, looking at the vast majority of the comments on these bugs,
the substanc
Referring to this answer:
>If you agree that there should of necessity be some bugs we will not
>fix, who do you think should decide which of those suggestions or
>wishlist items should be in, and which should be out? Don't you think
>the underwriters, designers and developers of the project should
On 03/12/11 01:38, Jonathan Gartner wrote:
> Disregarding any portion of the 20 million you
> (claim) to have, for the promise of a theoretical 180 million seems to
> me a be a very dangerous game to play for a fledgling company.
If you take a look at Sebastien's analysis of bug statistics, you'll
seems to me to* be a
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I think Mark's general undertone of comments like "Unity was not
developed for the Ubuntu community of today, it was developed with love
for the Ubuntu community of the future. You're invited to that
community, but not required to join it" and his dogged unwillingness in
this bug thread to accept t
Just have a look. Here one can see how dealing with a community can be
done easily.
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/gnome-shell-extensions-site-enters-
alpha-makes-adding-extra-features-easy/
Especially that part hits the mark:
This is despite the fact that many of the extensions presently av
I think this is a pretty evenhanded summary of how the problems/bugs
with Ubuntu affect the community, and why Canonical should care more:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11352664#post11352664
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It would be much more "precise" to change status to "opinion" since
there is a difference of opinion surrounding this bug.
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I would like to humbly quote from someone who once made a very
passionate argument for diversity, openness, and knowing how to embrace
different ideas from the contributor and user community in a project:
> This is a critical juncture for the leadership of Gnome. I’ll state
> plainly that I feel t
@Randall
Good point, and a helpful intervention.
Individuals might define their community differently, but piecing
together the many voices, and applying some of your language, I'd say
that "community" here means:
"The current set of long-time, heavy users, as well as advocates, of
Ubuntu's main
This discussion could be much more effective if we agree to get
*precise* about which "Community" we are referring to.
"Community engagement is broken" is much much too general a bug to fix.
It's like saying "Ubuntu is buggy".
Can we agree to get more *precise* in this Precise cycle? More here:
h
On 19/11/11 04:46, Dwayne Litzenberger wrote:
> You're absolutely right: You can't always please everybody; you have
> to prioritize. What worries me is that Mark Shuttleworth has stated,
> fairly explicitly, that Ubuntu users are not a priority:
Hold on a sec. You're extrapolating from the fact t
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 06:24:43PM -, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
>Nobody is denying that there are requests for those changes, but you can
>find lot of users requesting any change and often a non trivial number
>of users with a different or conflicting opinion ;-) Reality is that
>people are diffe
@Bazon (bazonbloch); all bugs that are reported to ayatana-design are
reviewed, however we currently have a 3.5 week bug backlog due to UDS so
our response time at the moment is a bit slower than usual. We also
will be doing a thorough review of all the historical ayatana-design
bugs that have acc
thanks for that information and helping to understand processes better.
this is the right attitude to get rid of this bug. :-)
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> however, a random pick of the first 10 bugs listed in "unity" (all
importance "high" or "critical") shows 7 of them were opened by John Lea
from Canonical's Design team and those 10 bugs have 29 affected users in
total, which makes about 3 affected users per bug.
John is working for the Canonica
interesting link, Sebastien.
however, a random pick of the first 10 bugs listed in "unity" (all importance
"high" or "critical") shows 7 of them were opened by John Lea from Canonical's
Design team and those 10 bugs have 29 affected users in total, which makes
about 3 affected users per bug. Eve
So after thinking a bit about the discussion there I also went to check
if "wontfix" without comment is such a trend, over 3 cycles of unity,
some stats on unity itself (not counting the other unity components, not
counting the bugs reassigned):
5475 bugs got reported (over 8000 counting duplicate
Reading this bug I would like to point that webpage to people who care about
design interactions and how the community and the unity team interact:
http://people.canonical.com/~platform/design/upstream.html
That page has been built to make design issues tracking easier, if you
look at this page y
@Bazon
Thanks! As I keep trying to emphasize, I did not open this bug because I
think Unity is bad, nor because I want Unity to be something that's it
not supposed to be, nor because I'm unaware that there are many other
terrific free software alternative, in Ubuntu and beyond.
This bug is not ab
@Tal#91:
Very good suggestion! Even on ubuntuforums.org I read about people dualbooting
between different tastes of ubuntu instead of just selecting another DE in the
DM.
Also, (as I said before), I'm very happy with Xubuntu+Compiz+Ambiance, so I
suppose that or other DE-options could be a solu
@Reuben
Again and again people forget the "other Ubuntus": Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and
-- hopefully soon -- Lubuntu. They are very much supported by the Ubuntu
project and by Mark personally. It's curious that when people are
disappointed by Unity they turn not to the "other Ubuntus" but to other
operat
An interesting comment I've read from a Linux Pro Magazine post about
this:
http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-
Byfield-s-Blog/A-Disturbing-Dialog-About-Ubuntu-and-Unity/
A simple solution for Ubuntu
francesco44 Nov 05, 2011 12:08am GMT
I have been a happy user of Ub
> That's simply not true. There are many bugs, including requests for
> changes in behaviour, which get agreed. The issue here is NOT an
> unwillingness to listen, on either the part of the developers or the
> designers. The issue is a portion of the user base which describes
> "won't fix my pet is
Mr Sladen (& Mr Suttleworth):
I know that your not a mind-reader as I know that you quite aware of the issues
on Unity. However I will list some of them to you and I would much appreciate
if you could give me straightforward honest answers.
I personally disagree with global menus, the movement
If the phenomena Mark describes is right, it's a matter of selective
perception.
So maybe it would be helpful to post some links to cases were canonical DID
actually fixed usability issues by user request in order to calm the worried
ones?
(But on the other hand, that won't calm too much as lo
On 13/11/11 21:24, Dwayne Litzenberger wrote:
> Allison: The problem expressed in this bug report is that every time a
> user complains about having a bad experience with the UI, the response
> has been, "WONTFIX".
That's simply not true. There are many bugs, including requests for
changes in be
"Trying to force different physical interfaces to use the same GUI is dumb.
At best, it'll be a lowest-common-denominator that never helps users kick
ass[*]."
I generally agree with these points. Design your interfaces around
inputs, and use different interfaces for different sets of inputs.
Othe
"@Community - It's only a matter of time until someone writes all those
tweaks we're looking for."
I think the issue of community engagement though is important in
fostering these. Hence my suggestion for a tag to basically treat them
as feedback for Canonical's purposes and an invitation for con
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Status: New
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Allison: The problem expressed in this bug report is that every time a
user complains about having a bad experience with the UI, the response
has been, "WONTFIX". I don't see how your comment changes any of that.
The fact that you characterize this thread as "unhealthy" just
illustrates the prob
@Allison
Great news!
I think most of us are confident that this bug will be solved, it's just
that we're worried about the loss of momentum in the interim. Mark and
others keep talking about the future, but I see no reason why some of
the damage can't be addressed right now. Let's ensure that 12.
This comment is written with love.
A bug report isn't the best place to work through relationship issues,
but this comment thread is unhealthy enough that I don't want to leave
it standing as-is. Just a brief note here, but what really matters
aren't words but actions over time.
The Ubuntu commun
Alex: It's probably useful if you spell out what you've discovered that
is broken about Unity and needs looking into (I'm so, I'm not a mind
reader—so even if you feel that both yourself and Mark know the item you
have in mind, myself and others following likely don't know).
A lot of the time, wha
On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 07:41:38AM -, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
>On 08/11/11 19:31, kfsone wrote:
>> However: The direction and changes of 11.x *suggest* to us that Ubuntu
>> is swapping from desktop to sub-desktop focus for it's primary
>> distribution.
>
>No. What's happening is that the new f
Here's a recent Slashdot writeup of the situation, with many great
comments as usual (a.k.a., "whining"):
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/11/11/1752226/linux-mint-the-new-
ubuntu
It's a depressing read.
(Also, of course, sensational: there's no actual proof that Ubuntu users
are switching to
Hello all,
I must admit that was the most interesting mailing list I ever read. What was
the outcome of it? Nothing, nothing at all.
I am very disappointed that people cannot tell the difference between a
community and a company. Is not accident that Mr Shuttleworth mentioned
Android and Windows
I would like to thank Mark Shuttleworth for his straight talking which
has cleared the fog in my head. For weeks I have been using (fighting)
Unity with a blind faith that it will refine into a likable and
productive Desktop UI that smallish businesses would be seduced by
consequently buying into C
As a Ubuntu Member and Contributor I have to say that it saddens me to
see so a "heated discussion" in the bug tracker and I personally feel
that Community engagement is better here than any other distro or FOSS
project. I understand some people are up in arms about Unity and
usability issues and t
On 08/11/11 19:31, kfsone wrote:
> However: The direction and changes of 11.x *suggest* to us that Ubuntu
> is swapping from desktop to sub-desktop focus for it's primary
> distribution.
No. What's happening is that the new form factors are being integrated
into Ubuntu, just as they will be integr
Oliver: it's certainly true that the Unity work has evolved out of and
is a continuation of the Ubuntu Netbook Remix interface research work.
However, as the substantial user base are desktop users, it's fairly
unlikely that Ubuntu would be wishing to upset those existing users
intentionally—you no
by the way, mint is doing it exactly right IMHO:
"What we’re sure of, is that if people aren’t given the choice they will be
frustrated and our vision of an Operating System is that your computer should
work for you and make you feel comfortable. So with this in mind, Gnome 3 in
Linux Mint 12 ne
I think it's pretty clear that part of the community (me included) is
mad because Gnome 3 didn't live up to half the expectations we had from
Gnome 2. If it was as good, we wouldn't care about Unity as we have the
option to easily install it.
Remainder: should Unity not exists, we'd be stuck with
@Mark
Many of us came to Ubuntu from other distros seeing a vital combination of two
components:
- A viable desktop experience,
- The offer of Long Term Stable.
I can only speak for the folks who introduced me to Ubuntu and the folks
I've brought with me, but we are confused: We'd tied that LTS
@Jon Brase - use middle mouse button (click the wheel).
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>In their rush to hate on Unity, people are forgetting how keyboard-centric
>Unity is.
Not me. For me, the fact that that keyboard centrism comes at the cost
of huge regressions in mouse-centric usability is what kills it for me
(that and some configurability issues, but many of thos
> Indicators are menus. All menus behave that way.
Is dash also a menu? Because it behaves the same way.
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When Linus says he uses XFCE, someone's ears ought to perk up. Linus is
no Joe Lunchbucket user, afraid of new things. So, I installed XFCE and
am happy as a clam. I refuse to use KDE as they have features you can't
turn off that consume CPU and power. Thankfully I have choices. If I
wanted to use
I wouldn't mind if they want to the keep the launcher on left forever.
How many of us really change any default layout. KDE keeps the taskbar
at bottom and I dont change that. Win 7 has it's default at bottom, How
many them change. NOT MANY RIGHT?
Only thing as a user I ask Unity developers is to
@einhverfr
I think some people are interpreting Mark's announcement through their
own bias.
Unity may be friendlier towards tablets than most desktop interfaces,
but there's still a long way to go, and indeed that's why the Unity team
is setting such a far-off date for tablet support. Try for you
> There is a reason people don't use Android on their desktop and laptop
computers.
Absolutely. The fact is, for any of us who spend time thinking about
the tradeoffs of command-line vs GUI interfaces, one fact is amazingly
clear: Interfaces must be designed around their inputs, not the other
wa
All I want is to move the d@#% launch bar to a different side of the
screen.
I can do this with Windows.
I can do this with OS X.
I can do this with GNOME.
I cannot do this with Unity, because some billionaire says it does not
fit with his "vision".
Remind me again why I use open source softwa
@Jon Brase
I'm not sure how useful it will be for Canonical to ignore group #1.
Many of us have offered up Ubuntu to friends and family as a replacement
for Windows. This includes our computer illiterate friends and family.
Most of these people see the interface as the operating system.
"Window
This is an interesting discussion
when I look at the entire situation, I probably see it a different way
the organizational structure is a mashup of different elements
some of the integration between the tools are as MS would put it are suboptimal
I know there is no time to to think ways to improv
@Mark Shuttleworth:
>Nonsense, again. Ubuntu has *always* aimed for usability, always gone
>the extra mile to make it easy to install and easy to embrace and easy
>to share Linux. I don't think it's cool to be too cool for that mission,
>but if you are in fact too cool for that mission, please d
On 04/11/11 15:49, Bazon wrote:
> Pretty much every indicator in Unity has this this 'one click: show, next
> click: hide' behaviour:
> indicator for network-manager, for sound, for bluetooth, indicator-me,
> indicator-messages, indicator for dropbox...
> ...even the dash and the workspace switc
There is more than one issue with Unity, absolutely, and I probably
should have phrased it this way - the community engagement issue is
going to come to a head over the launcher. It's likely to be the first
flaw a new user encounters in Unity, and certainly generates more forum
posts than any of U
Canonical (and Mark S. in particular) are openly hostile towards the
vast majority of Ubuntu users who have a strong dislike for Unity and
want it removed, or at least made optional.
Many of us are now, or will soon be, ex-Ubuntu users.
Ubuntu has really jumped the shark with this one. Apple can
> As far as I can tell, this is all about one issue - moving the
launcher.
Absolutely not, there are many more issues- As I said before, the things that
trouble me most are bad window and workspace management:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/683170
https://bugs.launchpad.net/
> As far as I can tell, this is all about one issue - moving the
launcher.
I think the launcher just illustrates a deeper problem with the *attitude*
that's been steering Unity development: making the experience better for 180
million hypothetical new users, while neglecting the experience of the
As far as I can tell, this is all about one issue - moving the launcher.
The left-side launcher is the single point of failure in Unity, which is
otherwise a good interface. For whatever design or user testing
suggested that every single user wants the launcher on the left, in the
real world, some
> Why do we always point to Microsoft and Apple as if they're somehow a
> reference implementation of great UI design that we just need to copy? There
> is *no* point in trying to replicate what Microsoft and Apple have done:
> Almost nobody who is happy with Windows or OS X is going to switch to U
I have effectively abandoned Ubuntu as a result of Unity. I have been a
log time converter of friends and family and EVERY person I updated to
unity dislikes it immensely. I have moved back to debian proper and
have stopped promoting Ubuntu.
I don't post here often but I lurk. I do feel that U
> As a point of reference, Windows 8's Metro user interface is going to
> provide a "Windows Classic" workspace for backwards compatibility. This is
> an area that Microsoft has consistently gotten right over the years...
Why do we always point to Microsoft and Apple as if they're somehow a
refere
As a point of reference, Windows 8's Metro user interface is going to
provide a "Windows Classic" workspace for backwards compatibility. This
is an area that Microsoft has consistently gotten right over the years,
and thus helped them maintain their position in the market. Even when
they make adv
@M.S.#39:
>> Also, there are many GUI elements in ubuntu which toggle show/hide by
click without changing appearance (@#20), e.g. most indicators.
>Which indicators are you referring to?
Pretty much every indicator in Unity has this this 'one click: show, next
click: hide' behaviour:
indicator
> We have about 20 million users today. We want 200 million users by 2014.
> The extra 180 million users are not in the Ubuntu community today, so you
> can in a sense say that it's true - Unity was not developed for the Ubuntu
> community of today, it was developed with love for the Ubuntu communi
Wow, just imagine ALL that lines of code on Ubuntu...
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Here's a write up on this issue by Bruce Byfield, with many excellent
comments following:
http://www.linux-magazine.com/content/view/full/51293
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Friends, I think most of us know how easy it is to switch to GNOME
Shell, or even XFCE (or LXDE -- let's not forget it, it's wonderful in
its minimalism) in Ubuntu and still stay in a mostly GTK-and-GNOME-like
paradigm. For some, that's a perfect solution!
But, please try to understand why this is
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Here are a few thoughts here that may help move a dialog forward. I
speak as someone who supports some Ubuntu deployments, as a user, and as
an open source software developer who does a lot of work in my own
community.
The first thing to recognize is that community engagement is always
broken. p
Re TitanKing: main problem here, averadge user don't know about launchpad,
bugreport, maillist e.c. Moreover, they didn't even know that something
broken, or work not so good, as supposed to be.
2011/11/3 TitanKing <882...@bugs.launchpad.net>
> I think the community is too hard on Shuttleworth an
I think the community is too hard on Shuttleworth and his team (maybe
even selfish), they are truly trying to achieve a vision here, lets
honor this. I honor what they have done for Linux and open source thus
far. I mean I use Launchpad for my own open source projects exclusively
and I understand a
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