On 13/04/10 15:24, Michael wrote:
If you look at this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/MailingLists
the Google Group is the 1st one in the list, yet no one knows much
about it. Why is this and if it isn't an important part of Ubuntu-AU
communication why is it the first one in the list?
On Tue, 2010-04-13 at 16:25 +0930, mike james wrote:
> Im confused, but also fairly ignorant of the current structure. Hence
> I have a few questions about this debate.
>
>
> What are the primary functions of this group as it currently stands?
To promote Ubuntu, essentially. We don't have a lang
Im confused, but also fairly ignorant of the current structure. Hence I have
a few questions about this debate.
What are the primary functions of this group as it currently stands?
What do other Ubuntu groups do that we dont?
What do we want to do, that we currently cant do?
On Tue, Apr 13, 2
You didn't notice the sentence immediately preceding it? They are in
the same paragraph.
As for "hugenormous mega mail" well I noticed a few issues in this
group even before I started posting. That was my way of letting
everyone know that to the outside world this group looks quite
dysfunctional.
On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 22:44 -0700, Michael wrote:
> So you never thought to ask me what I was referring to? Jared did.
>
> I hope no one thinks I am going after anyone, I am just trying to
> point out a few flaws with how things are atm.
I had not even noticed that part of that hugenormous mega m
With reference to the above answer to Melissa let me just post exactly
what I said before.
2. The membership list for Ubuntu-AU google group REALLY (not
shouting
just making sure its understood how serious this issue is) needs
cleaning up. Has anyone had a look at the membership list lately and
se
So you never thought to ask me what I was referring to? Jared did.
I hope no one thinks I am going after anyone, I am just trying to
point out a few flaws with how things are atm.
On Apr 13, 3:36 pm, Melissa Draper wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 22:00 -0700, Michael wrote:
> > Robert, take a lo
They are still on the website and that is how I joined up. I
understand official/unofficial and internal/external but the reality
is they are all portals to Ubuntu-AU and someone should have a
reasonable knowledge of what is contained on them. People keep saying
get in and do what you can well I ke
>
> lets say that tragically (fictional only please!) Melissa falls of the
face of the earth, who would know how to continue in the Loco contact
role?
Why do you need to ask us that? you can answer it for yourself!
See what I did there?
That, ladies and gentleman, is how (as stands currently)
On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 22:00 -0700, Michael wrote:
> Robert, take a look at this thread. I don't know if your indicating
> you aren't reading this list often, if you are selective in your
> readings, or if you just don't remember reading it. It doesn't really
> matter what the situation with your n
On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 22:24 -0700, Michael wrote:
> If you look at this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/MailingLists
> the Google Group is the 1st one in the list, yet no one knows much
> about it. Why is this and if it isn't an important part of Ubuntu-AU
> communication why is it the
If you look at this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/MailingLists
the Google Group is the 1st one in the list, yet no one knows much
about it. Why is this and if it isn't an important part of Ubuntu-AU
communication why is it the first one in the list? Please don't give
me alphabetical o
Well this is unfortunate isn't it, it shows that the "Leadership"
doesn't know about everything that is happening here and this one of
the public fronts to Ubuntu-AU.
Why does it take so many mentions to get something to happen? Even if
the people who should know don't know about it, someone shoul
Robert, take a look at this thread. I don't know if your indicating
you aren't reading this list often, if you are selective in your
readings, or if you just don't remember reading it. It doesn't really
matter what the situation with your not knowing about it what does
matter is it has taken numer
On Tue, 2010-04-13 at 14:40 +1000, Robert Collins wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-04-13 at 13:23 +1000, Andrew Gaydon wrote:
> > Why does it take a debate like this to 'Raise' this issue?
> >
> > This is not the first time that Michael has raised it!
>
> Its the first time I've seen it mentioned.
>
> All
On Tue, 2010-04-13 at 13:23 +1000, Andrew Gaydon wrote:
> Why does it take a debate like this to 'Raise' this issue?
>
> This is not the first time that Michael has raised it!
Its the first time I've seen it mentioned.
All official Ubuntu mailing lists are maintained [system settings] by
Canonic
Why does it take a debate like this to 'Raise' this issue?
This is not the first time that Michael has raised it!
So many questions go unanswered on this mailing list.
This is why people are so uninterested in making a contribution.
There is no responsibility or accountability !!
Why can't peo
included in your email). I have put
> Andrew's email in italics to try and make it easier to tell what is the
> original email and what is my response.
>
> *On 12 April 2010 12:43, AndrewG wrote:
>
>
>
> > LEADERSHIP and a ROADMAP
>
> > Prologue: 25th
Michael,
I'm sorry to diverge a little here but I was wondering if you would be able
to email me these references to porn on the mailing list that has been
mentioned a couple of times now. As a mailing list admin I see my fair share
of spam from the list but the whole idea of the mailing list admi
Lets take this from another view point...
lets say that tragically (fictional only please!) Melissa falls of the
face of the earth, who would know how to continue in the Loco contact
role?
This is a major flaw in most organisations, they don't contend for the
future. We are not immortal, and peop
On Apr 13, 10:41 am, Jared Norris wrote:
> To my knowledge all this is correct, Melissa is the team contact. I
> personally do not know of anyone active in the Ubuntu-AU that could come
> close to knowing enough about how Canonical works to replace what Melissa
> contributes to us all. I'm not aga
On Apr 13, 10:42 am, Peter Schwenke wrote:
> I am of a similar opinion to Daniel with regard to bureaucracy.
> However, I have been biting my tongue.
>
> The current set up is not stopping anybody from doing anything.
Isn't it? Then why can't I get a straight answer to why does this
mailing list
Daniel Sobey wrote:
> ...snip...
> We do need to change, but just adding 3 layers of bureaucracy will not
> help, perhaps in 5 or 10 years when our community has grown it will be
> needed but not now.
>
> So the question is if the current system is not working, or not working
> as well as it shou
e put
Andrew's email in italics to try and make it easier to tell what is the
original email and what is my response.
*On 12 April 2010 12:43, AndrewG wrote:
> LEADERSHIP and a ROADMAP
>
> Prologue: 25th March, Melissa Draper (our team contact) was sent an
> email outlining some of t
Dear Friend,
I think that you miss the point.
I will explain.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Daniel Sobey wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> It's a great idea on paper but i do not see it working with a community
> our size.
> Currently we have 24 people in #ubuntu-au-chat and 38 in #ubuntu-au, we
> ha
Hi Daniel.
The way I see it is that there is no opportunity to expand anything,
leadership or otherwise, because the current system is autocratic.
Questions have been asked in public, and from what I can now gather in
private, about regular members doing different things. Unfortunately
these quest
Hi list,
It's a great idea on paper but i do not see it working with a community
our size.
Currently we have 24 people in #ubuntu-au-chat and 38 in #ubuntu-au, we
have around 300 people on the mailing list.
At release parties we do get 20-30 people to meet up in but I don't see
that anywhere near
Philosophically I agree with AndrewG not sure how the low numbers in some
locations might be a limitation but it certainly is a carrot to grow numbers.
It IMO is what is required at this time to grow Ubuntu AU
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On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 20:58 +1000, Scott Evans wrote:
> My Random Ramblings...
>
> On Sun, 2010-04-11 at 19:43 -0700, AndrewG wrote:
>
> > LEADERSHIP and a ROADMAP
> >
> > Prologue: 25th March, Melissa Draper (our team contact) was sent an
> > email outli
My Random Ramblings...
On Sun, 2010-04-11 at 19:43 -0700, AndrewG wrote:
> LEADERSHIP and a ROADMAP
>
> Prologue: 25th March, Melissa Draper (our team contact) was sent an
> email outlining some of the following in detail. I am still awaiting
> a reply (maybe she is on hol
think we should have a popularity con...- er,
> referendum with other proposed ideas for the restructuring of ubuntu-au and
> THEN have the winner go for the trial period. Second place can collect $50.
>
> $0.02,
> Andrew Powter
> aka "nDR01d"
>
> On 12 Apr
other proposed ideas for the restructuring of ubuntu-au and
THEN have the winner go for the trial period. Second place can collect $50.
$0.02,
Andrew Powter
aka "nDR01d"
On 12 April 2010 12:43, AndrewG wrote:
> LEADERSHIP and a ROADMAP
>
> Prologue: 25th March, Melissa Dra
Carey & Michael,
I will reply to both of you.
As per wiki, there is NO such thing as a 'State based LoCo', there is a
'State Community Council' if there is sufficient 'Local LoCo'
representatives to form one. A 'State representative' is then
appointed/elected to the ACC.
The role of the ACC is
same responsibility shift for years now.
This might sounds boring but after your post I've nothing to add, line for
line I agree.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:43 PM, AndrewG wrote:
> LEADERSHIP and a ROADMAP
>
> Prologue: 25th March, Melissa Draper (our team contact) was sent an
Michael,
Your question about regional areas is a curly one, In Qld we have a
few regional areas Toowoomba, Rockhampton & Townsville that might have enough
users to setup a LoCo, I guess we should focus on state based loCo's in the 1st
instance so as not to disadvantage remote users.
my
Hi Andrew, and everyone else who wishes to take part in this
discussion.
I see you have put alot of thought into this and I applaud your
initiative in bringing this matter to the forefront again.
I don't have many comments to make at this time but the ones I do have
to make will probably ruffle a
A very well presented post.. I will contribute to this one I have read
all of the links ...
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Prologue: 25th March, Melissa Draper (our team contact) was sent an
email outlining some of the following in detail. I am still awaiting
a reply (maybe she is on holidays), thus my reason for a public post
to the Ubuntu-au community. (I wish that she had replied so we
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