Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog

2006-04-05 Thread Julian Oliver
just to catch up, what was the agreed issue with the existing logout dialog? i ask more in the sense of it's layout and relative size than the icons themselves.. julian -- __ _ ___ ___| |___ __| |_ _ __ __ _ _ _| |__ ___ (_-http://selectparks.net/~julian -

[ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog

2006-04-05 Thread Eric Feliksik
So after much discussion the global opinion is something like this: 1) Some like the fancy dialog, some don't 2) Most people agree that the dialog is not completely self-explanatory 3) because of 2), the sabdfl is in favor of explanatory text (and that's the obligatory global opinion then :)) 4)

Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog

2006-04-05 Thread Eric Feliksik
Mark Shuttleworth wrote: A better use of our time would be figuring out how to disable options that don't work on specific hardware! Perhaps some sort of "oops I failed to hibernate" tracking could be used to hint the system that it really, really does not want to offer the hibernate option any

Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog

2006-04-04 Thread Victoria Greeven
moin moin ;-) I am such an user, who doesn't know the difference - and I tell you - I am confused about that really big Logout-"picture" with so many options. In Germany we sometimes say "weniger ist mehr" (less is more) and so I agree with Henrik. Those users, who want to use "hibernate" will

Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog

2006-04-04 Thread Jean-Denis Vauguet
Mark Shuttleworth a écrit : > Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: >> IMO it would be best to only show one of these options to the average >> user. (It would be useful to have some real-world data on which of >> these people use most often -- sleep I guess -- and how many people >> regularly use both options

Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog

2006-04-04 Thread Henrik Nilsen Omma
Mark Shuttleworth wrote: Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: IMO it would be best to only show one of these options to the average user. (It would be useful to have some real-world data on which of these people use most often -- sleep I guess -- and how many people regularly use both options. Except the

Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog

2006-04-04 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: IMO it would be best to only show one of these options to the average user. (It would be useful to have some real-world data on which of these people use most often -- sleep I guess -- and how many people regularly use both options. Except there's a darn good reaso

Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog

2006-04-04 Thread Henrik Nilsen Omma
Andy Somerville wrote: I think theres hardly anyone (who doesnt know beforehand) who thinks the hibernate/sleep functionality is clear. Maybe its been suggested before, but should we consider renaming these? (regardless of what other changes are made) IMO it would be best to only show one of th

Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog

2006-04-04 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Manu Cornet wrote: As a matter of fact, I seldom do mere mockups, most of the time I also write actual patches (and I sent this one to Seb by email along with those captures) :) Seems like it is on its way to be uploaded soon. Rock star :-) Huh, did I misunderstand the meaning of "fac

Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog

2006-04-04 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Eric Feliksik wrote: Matthew East wrote: Just to stick in two more cents, I agree with mpt: a logout dialogue that needs explanatory text is _really_ doing something wrong. The labels and the icons should be clear enough. Matt Ok, but then the real quest

Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog

2006-04-04 Thread Manu Cornet
Hi ! > > http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/dialog.png > > http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/logout.png > > http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/hibernate.png > Interesting! > > I quite like the explanatory text. Daniel, is that easy to factor in? As a matter of fact, I seldo

Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog

2006-04-04 Thread Who
On 4/4/06, Petr Tomeš <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2006/4/4, Sandis Neilands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I agree with you. So far i haven't seen any advantage in using > > ubuntu's custom logout instead of gnome's default. I know this is > > unpopular but > > 1) If the new logout doesn't solve more (o

Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog

2006-04-04 Thread Petr Tomeš
2006/4/4, Sandis Neilands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I agree with you. So far i haven't seen any advantage in using > ubuntu's custom logout instead of gnome's default. I know this is > unpopular but > 1) If the new logout doesn't solve more (or more important) problems > than it creates or > 2) we are

Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog

2006-04-04 Thread Sandis Neilands
Hello! On 4/4/06, Eric Feliksik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, but then the real question is, then: Do you think it's clear, now? > Do you think Aunt Tilly understands the difference between hibernation, > shutdown and sleep? Logout and switch user? > > I personally don't think so. So we either

Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog

2006-04-04 Thread Eric Feliksik
Matthew East wrote: Just to stick in two more cents, I agree with mpt: a logout dialogue that needs explanatory text is _really_ doing something wrong. The labels and the icons should be clear enough. Matt Ok, but then the real question is, then: Do you think it's clear, now? Do you think Au

[ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog

2006-04-04 Thread Who
> > > > * "Log out" as the name of the menu entry is definitely misleading, and > > we're trying to find the best wording to replace it (suggestions > > welcome !). How about 'Leave the Computer' -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubun

Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog

2006-04-04 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Manu Cornet wrote: Here's a new version of the dialog : http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/dialog.png http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/logout.png http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/hibernate.png Interesting! Many people found that the dialog was too large ; therefore, I stack

[ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog

2006-03-31 Thread Eric Feliksik
Manu Cornet wrote: * "Log out" as the name of the menu entry is definitely misleading, and we're trying to find the best wording to replace it (suggestions welcome !). If we put them all together, maybe "exit" is the right word. Whether you lock&leave or log-out, that's up to you. Either you

[ubuntu-art] Re: (Yet another) new logout dialog

2006-03-31 Thread Manu Cornet
Hi ! Here's a new version of the dialog : http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/dialog.png http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/logout.png http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/hibernate.png Many people found that the dialog was too large ; therefore, I stacked the help m