Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-06 Thread Oscar Benjamin
On 6 February 2014 09:46, Alan Gauld wrote: > On 06/02/14 02:11, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> But still complex. And you're limited by the (lack of) stability of >> Windows. > > Unless you are running a server a modern Windows set up is stable enough. > Since windows 7 and 8 the core OS is far bett

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-06 Thread leam hall
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Neil Cerutti wrote: > Linux is a great OS for a child to learn computing and > programming on, provided the parent knows it well enough to train > the student on it. If not, it's just inviting needless headaches. Look at http://www.edubuntu.org/ Leam --- Mind o

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-06 Thread Neil Cerutti
On 2014-02-06, Alan Gauld wrote: > And for a beginner who is only programming casually and likely > doing other things with the PC a Windows box makes a lot of > sense since other programs are more plentiful and generally > better quality for casual use. > > If you want to become a pro then sure L

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-06 Thread spir
On 02/06/2014 02:51 AM, Tim Krupinski wrote: The reason I suggest Linux is because a lot of Python is used in it already. People was also designed (according to Guido vR) to please Unix/C hackers. d ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscr

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-06 Thread spir
On 02/06/2014 12:13 AM, Alan Gauld wrote: On 05/02/14 18:34, Colin Chinsammy wrote: I am considering purchasing the Acer c720 chromebook for my 13yo to begin learning Python for Kids. Obviously I am on a budget. I wouldn't consider a Chromebpook for anyone learning programming. They are fine f

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-06 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 10:09:07PM +1100, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Hi Sasha, and welcome! Correction, Sacha. Sorry about that, I know how annoying it is to have your name misspelled. -- Steven ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe o

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-06 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Hi Sasha, and welcome! On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 07:41:12AM +, Sacha Rook wrote: > Hi as much as I like chrome books > > My opinion so I would rather give him a laptop ^^^ Her. I'll just drop this link here: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/girls-a

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-06 Thread Alan Gauld
On 05/02/14 18:34, Colin Chinsammy wrote: I am considering purchasing the Acer c720 chromebook for my 13yo to begin learning Python for Kids. Obviously I am on a budget. One option which is aimed at the kids eduication kind of market and hasn't been mentioned is the RasberryPi. Its very Python

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-06 Thread Alan Gauld
On 06/02/14 02:11, Steven D'Aprano wrote: But still complex. And you're limited by the (lack of) stability of Windows. Unless you are running a server a modern Windows set up is stable enough. Since windows 7 and 8 the core OS is far better than earlier incarnations. I've only had one BSOD i

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-05 Thread Sacha Rook
Hi as much as I like chrome books My opinion so I would rather give him a laptop either with Linux or windows with free virtualisation software on to run either so and program on both especially if he will be offline. Alternative if you have wifi/network constant connection then just a browse

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-05 Thread Dave Angel
Steven D'Aprano Wrote in message: > > > > > But still complex. And you're limited by the (lack of) stability of > Windows. > > If you don't *need* Windows, there is no point in running Linux on top > of Windows in a virtual machine. It just means you're using twice as > much memory, and you

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-05 Thread Danny Yoo
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Colin Chinsammy < colin.chinsa...@erickson.com> wrote: > I am considering purchasing the Acer c720 chromebook for my 13yo to > begin learning Python for Kids. Obviously I am on a budget. > > Is this a good choice for a complete beginner? Any particular challenges

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-05 Thread Danny Yoo
... reading through the rest of this thread... I'm surprised no one has mentioned: http://www.codecademy.com/tracks/python Depending on your child's level, you might even look at Scratch: http://scratch.mit.edu/ which is not Python at all, but it is programming, and it is very much focu

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-05 Thread Danny Yoo
Hi everyone, > * I would vote against a Chrome OS based device for a number of practical > reasons when considering a computer for learning how to do anything, but > especially coding. I'm not quite sure what to make of the above statement: it seems a bit broad. Anyway, there seems to be an

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-05 Thread Kodiak Firesmith
In response to the OP with considerations for budget and the target learner: * At this stage in operating systems and python setups, I posit that the easiest and most meritorious path is to use a "beginner's Linux" that is easy to install and focuses on a good desktop experience. The best offering

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-05 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 06:34:49PM +, Colin Chinsammy wrote: > I am considering purchasing the Acer c720 chromebook for my 13yo to > begin learning Python for Kids. Obviously I am on a budget. Is this a > good choice for a complete beginner? Any particular challenges that > she might encoun

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-05 Thread Devin Jeanpierre
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:35 PM, David Abbott wrote: > Linux runs great on older Laptops that were the top of the line in > their day, two nice examples with great keyboards are dell e6400 and > ibm T61's. Linux is easy to install and set up now a days :) FWIW linux does, but firefox and chrome do

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-05 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 07:51:51PM -0600, Tim Krupinski wrote: > I would agree with David and others. For programming, a chromebook would > not be a good choice because you can't install any type of development > environment onto the machine itself. Get something with a big screen and, > preferab

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-05 Thread Tim Krupinski
I would agree with David and others. For programming, a chromebook would not be a good choice because you can't install any type of development environment onto the machine itself. Get something with a big screen and, preferably a full keyboard - I'm talking full size in the sense that you have t

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-05 Thread David Abbott
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Marc Tompkins wrote: > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Joel Goldstick > wrote: >> >> I would get a laptop with as large a screen as you can afford. Windows or >> Linux. >> > I second that emotion, and also: try out the keyboard first (or rather, have > your kid try

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-05 Thread Marc Tompkins
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Joel Goldstick wrote: > I would get a laptop with as large a screen as you can afford. Windows or > Linux. > > I second that emotion, and also: try out the keyboard first (or rather, have your kid try it out). We spend a lot of time on our laptops, and a badly-desi

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-05 Thread Joel Goldstick
On Feb 5, 2014 6:14 PM, "Alan Gauld" wrote: > > On 05/02/14 18:34, Colin Chinsammy wrote: >> >> I am considering purchasing the Acer c720 chromebook for my 13yo to >> begin learning Python for Kids. Obviously I am on a budget. > > > I wouldn't consider a Chromebpook for anyone learning programming

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-05 Thread Alan Gauld
On 05/02/14 18:34, Colin Chinsammy wrote: I am considering purchasing the Acer c720 chromebook for my 13yo to begin learning Python for Kids. Obviously I am on a budget. I wouldn't consider a Chromebpook for anyone learning programming. They are fine for folks who are happy to do everything "in

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python

2014-02-05 Thread Colin Chinsammy
I am considering purchasing the Acer c720 chromebook for my 13yo to begin learning Python for Kids. Obviously I am on a budget. Is this a good choice for a complete beginner? Any particular challenges that she might encounter using a chromebook OS? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. As I ha

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python developers?

2012-03-02 Thread Terry Carroll
(Re Python on Windows 7) On Thu, 23 Feb 2012, Tim Golden wrote: On 23/02/2012 09:00, Alan Gauld wrote: If you do a reinstall, download the ActiveState version rather than the Python.org version. I also recommend the ActiveState distro. I am going to "third" Alan's and Tim's recommendation

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python developers?

2012-02-23 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 23/02/2012 15:23, Jugurtha Hadjar wrote: On 23/02/2012 02:00, Tamar Osher wrote: Hi. I am still having trouble installing and using Python on my (new) Windows 7 computer, but I plan to contact Microsoft forums and see if they can help me, since this is a Windows problem and not a Python probl

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python developers?

2012-02-23 Thread Jugurtha Hadjar
On 23/02/2012 16:46, Dave Angel wrote: I'm not running Windows any more (except in a VirtualBox), but your batch files could be improved: Since you only have the one useful line in the batch file, just put the @ on that line; no need to turn off echo for the whole file, when the file is one

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python developers?

2012-02-23 Thread Dave Angel
On 02/23/2012 10:23 AM, Jugurtha Hadjar wrote: One last point: Having two versions of Python, here's what I did in order to chose which version is used depending what I'm doing (If I'm tinkering with Numpy, I must use Python26) Python 2.6 is installed in C:\Python26 Python 3.2 is installed

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python developers?

2012-02-23 Thread Jugurtha Hadjar
On 23/02/2012 02:00, Tamar Osher wrote: Hi. I am still having trouble installing and using Python on my (new) Windows 7 computer, but I plan to contact Microsoft forums and see if they can help me, since this is a Windows problem and not a Python problem. My question: For the future, what typ

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python developers?

2012-02-23 Thread Tim Golden
On 23/02/2012 09:00, Alan Gauld wrote: By no means, one of Pythons strengths is that the same code can run on many OS. But as Steven has mentioned many developers use Linux because GNU/Linux is designed as a developer's OS and comes with oodles of tools. Most of those are available for Windows to

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python developers?

2012-02-23 Thread Alan Gauld
On 23/02/12 01:00, Tamar Osher wrote: Hi. I am still having trouble installing and using Python on my (new) Windows 7 computer, but I plan to contact Microsoft forums and see if they can help me, since this is a Windows problem and not a Python problem. I doubt if you have any big issues. You p

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python developers?

2012-02-22 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 07:00:57PM -0600, Tamar Osher wrote: > > Hi. I am still having trouble installing and using Python on my (new) > Windows 7 computer, but I plan to contact Microsoft forums and see if they > can help me, since this is a Windows problem and not a Python problem. > > My qu

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python developers?

2012-02-22 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 23/02/2012 01:00, Tamar Osher wrote: Hi. I am still having trouble installing and using Python on my (new) Windows 7 computer, but I plan to contact Microsoft forums and see if they can help me, since this is a Windows problem and not a Python problem. My question: For the future, what ty

Re: [Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python developers?

2012-02-22 Thread David Rock
* Tamar Osher [2012-02-22 19:00]: > > Hi. I am still having trouble installing and using Python on my (new) > Windows 7 computer, but I plan to contact Microsoft forums and see if > they can help me, since this is a Windows problem and not a Python > problem. > > My question: For the future, wh

[Tutor] Which computer operating system is best for Python developers?

2012-02-22 Thread Tamar Osher
Hi. I am still having trouble installing and using Python on my (new) Windows 7 computer, but I plan to contact Microsoft forums and see if they can help me, since this is a Windows problem and not a Python problem. My question: For the future, what type of computer is best for Python develop