Andreas Kostyrka wrote:
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> Eric Brunson wrote:
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>> On Sat, July 28, 2007 4:01 am, Thorsten Kampe wrote:
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>>> * Kent Johnson (Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:06:33 -0400)
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Barton David wrote:
> *sigh* I'm
"Eric Brunson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> On Sat, July 28, 2007 4:01 am, Thorsten Kampe wrote:
>>> In what way is it Python's fault that the dbm database doesn't
>>> reclaim
>>> disk space?
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>> It's actually how most databases work. Even a simple Outlook pst
>> file
>> (which is a database, t
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Eric Brunson wrote:
> On Sat, July 28, 2007 4:01 am, Thorsten Kampe wrote:
>> * Kent Johnson (Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:06:33 -0400)
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>>> Barton David wrote:
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*sigh* I'm really going off Python.
>>> In what way is it Python's fault that the
On Sat, July 28, 2007 4:01 am, Thorsten Kampe wrote:
> * Kent Johnson (Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:06:33 -0400)
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>> Barton David wrote:
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>>> *sigh* I'm really going off Python.
>>>
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>> In what way is it Python's fault that the dbm database doesn't reclaim
>> disk space?
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> It's actually how most data
* Kent Johnson (Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:06:33 -0400)
> Barton David wrote:
> > *sigh* I'm really going off Python.
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> In what way is it Python's fault that the dbm database doesn't reclaim
> disk space?
It's actually how most databases work. Even a simple Outlook pst file
(which is a database, too
Alan Gauld wrote:
> "Andreas Kostyrka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
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>>> a lot to build the Tacoma Narrows bridge... Similarly you don't
>>> need
>>> much math to build a GUI friont end to a database, but you need
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>> I would question even that one can write a good GUI frontend to a
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"Andreas Kostyrka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>> a lot to build the Tacoma Narrows bridge... Similarly you don't
>> need
>> much math to build a GUI friont end to a database, but you need
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> I would question even that one can write a good GUI frontend to a
> database without the theory behind it.
Andreas Kostyrka wrote:
> Believe me, the Python developers are sure listening. Only that
> "cleaning up the mess" has associated costs, that are usually not
> acceptable. If it comes to "not breaking existing programs" or "cleaning
> up the stdlib so it's nicer", "not breaking existing programs"
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Barton David wrote:
> Eric Brunson wrote:
>> You seem like a smart guy that's having a bad day, so I'm cutting you
>> slack.
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> Thanks Eric. Yes I did indeed have a bad day (and it got much much worse),
> and this is most definitely a case of a ba
Python is like democracy. It isn't perfect, but it's the best thing
come up with so far. ;-)
Barton David wrote:
> Eric Brunson wrote:
> > You seem like a smart guy that's having a bad day, so I'm cutting you
> > slack.
>
> Thanks Eric. Yes I did indeed have a bad day (and it got much much
Eric Brunson wrote:
> You seem like a smart guy that's having a bad day, so I'm cutting you
> slack.
Thanks Eric. Yes I did indeed have a bad day (and it got much much worse),
and this is most definitely a case of a bad workman blaming his tools. I
apologise to all concerned for voicing my frustr
>> cPickle/Pickle question is AFAIR documented,
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> But not in a manner totally clear to a newbie. An experienced
> programmer will figure out that a C implementation is faster but
> what does that meabn when your only reference is a few weeks
> of Python? And why is there two modules if one is bet
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Alan Gauld wrote:
> "Andreas Kostyrka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
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>> was, that the only way to have more math courses would be to study
>> something with mathematics in the title *g*)
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> Thats true of most engineering courses.
> Although I studie
"Andreas Kostyrka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> was, that the only way to have more math courses would be to study
> something with mathematics in the title *g*)
Thats true of most engineering courses.
Although I studied Electrical engineering the only compulsory subject
for each of the 5 years(i
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Alan Gauld wrote:
> "Tiger12506" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
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>> Some people need degrees, most people don't. It all depends on what
>> they are
>> capable of understanding.
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> It also depends what they are doing.
> Most programmers don't build c
One thing I don't think people realize, or at least don't talk about
often enough, is that good programming, like good art, takes talent.
I can draw a cat to make my 2yo happy or sketch my house well enough
that someone could pick it out driving down the street, but if I paint
every day for th
"Tiger12506" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> Some people need degrees, most people don't. It all depends on what
> they are
> capable of understanding.
It also depends what they are doing.
Most programmers don't build complex state machines, nor do they
build safety critical systems. 90% or more of
"Eric Brunson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>> newbie-friendly. My only complaint is that I'm starting to feel
>> like I
>> won't get much further than that without a computer science degree.
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> I'll disagree with you on that, if you can get a PhD in genetics
> then
> programming should be a snap.
"Eric Brunson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> It seems like new programmers today expect to be spoonfed their
> information like they were in grammar school.
I think its true they expect a lot of tutorial stuff, probably because
of the number of idiot guides to programming in languages like
VB/PHP e
"Barton David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> I've learned to program with Python (and can hardly conceive of a
> better
> language to be honest)- and I still think the core language is
> great:
> elegant, easy to use and brilliantly documented.
Completely agree.
> But the more I explore the stan
> ...some credit. I taught myself to program, from scratch, without access
> to (or time for) any courses whatsoever... 5 years now...core
> language...certain standard modules pretty well... complaint...won't get
> much further...without a computer science degree.
Wow. I'm so *shocked*.
Most p
Barton David wrote:
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> *Eric Brunson* wrote:
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> > It seems like new programmers today expect to be spoonfed their
> > information like they were in grammar school. They don't know what it
> > is to hack a Makefile to get a package to compile or break out an
> RFC to
> > understand a protocol.
Eric Brunson wrote:
> It seems like new programmers today expect to be spoonfed their
> information like they were in grammar school. They don't know what it
> is to hack a Makefile to get a package to compile or break out an RFC to
> understand a protocol. If you don't understand something a
the
code you'd have to read is just more Python, anyway.
Just me being a grouchy old programmer. In my day we had to program in
4 feet of snow, uphill... both ways!
> Andreas
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>>
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>> From: Kent Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL
Andreas Kostyrka wrote:
> Additionally, the language core is very very thought out, with glacial
> enhancements. "Fixing" the standard library OTOH would involve
renaming
> and removing names, which would make huge collections of programs
break.
> Not a good thing :(
Yes agreed. My comments there
once seemed to aspired to.
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> From: Kent Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 27 July 2007 14:11
> To: Barton David
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> Subject: Re: [Tutor] Shelve del not reducing file size
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> If it's any sol
d involve renaming
and removing names, which would make huge collections of programs break.
Not a good thing :(
Andreas
I know no language that beats this pattern.
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> From: Kent Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Kent Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Barton David
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If it's any solace, there is a small minority of Pyth
reas
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> From: Kent Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 27 July 2007 13:07
> To: Barton David
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> Subject: Re: [Tutor] Shelve del not reducing file size
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> Barton David wrote:
>> *sigh* I'm r
;
> I guess it's not Python's fault: I'm guess I'm just too stupid. But I'm
> just getting really disenchanted. Sorry.
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> From: Kent Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 27 July 2007 13:07
> To: Barton Dav
too stupid. But I'm
just getting really disenchanted. Sorry.
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Barton David wrote:
> *sigh* I'm really
Barton David wrote:
> *sigh* I'm really going off Python.
In what way is it Python's fault that the dbm database doesn't reclaim
disk space?
Kent
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*sigh* I'm really going off Python.
OK, thanks Andreas.
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That's in the nature of the underlying database library used for the
shelve. Most dbm implemention on Unix are using a sparse file that is
used as hashmap. E.g. compare ls -l versus du of the database file.
Now if this is the case, there is no way (wi
Hi,
I've hit a snag with Python's shelve module. By way of example...
_
from shelve import DbfilenameShelf as StoreFile
import os
sf=StoreFile("mytest.db",writeback=False) # but same problem if
writeback=True
for i in range(1):
sf[str(i)]="TESTOBJECT"
sf.sync()
print len(sf)
sf.cl
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