[tor-talk] TOR Fone - p2p secure and anonymous VoIP tool

2013-02-03 Thread adrelanos
Hi! I haven't seen TOR Fone discussions on this list. Description (selection by adrelanos, see TOR Fone homepage [1] for original text). > > TORFone was designed to communicate voice via Internet (make phone calls to > the addressee) similarly to Skype but with the following differences: > > 1

Re: [tor-talk] TOR Fone - p2p secure and anonymous VoIP tool

2013-02-03 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
On 2/3/13 2:49 PM, adrelanos wrote: > Hi! > > I haven't seen TOR Fone discussions on this list. Description (selection > by adrelanos, see TOR Fone homepage [1] for original text). While i appreciate the effort, i think that the approach of TorFone (http://torfone.org/) is not good and cannot scal

Re: [tor-talk] TOR Fone - p2p secure and anonymous VoIP tool

2013-02-03 Thread adrelanos
Fabio Pietrosanti (naif): > f) The system is not cross-platform, not easy portable, not easily > maintainable (it cannot goes over Linux or Tails for example) [...] > The most reasonable and maintainable approach is: > - Use Jitsi (http://www.jitsi.org) [...] Packing Jitsi for Debian (Tails) do

Re: [tor-talk] TOR Fone - p2p secure and anonymous VoIP tool

2013-02-03 Thread Nathan Freitas
On 02/03/2013 11:14 PM, adrelanos wrote: > Packing Jitsi for Debian (Tails) doesn't look very promising at the moment: > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=627362 I am actually a bigger fan of SFLPhone for simple, clean, secure VoIP on Linux, and the good news is this: http://sflphon

Re: [tor-talk] TOR Fone - p2p secure and anonymous VoIP tool

2013-02-03 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Nathan Freitas: > On 02/03/2013 11:14 PM, adrelanos wrote: >> Packing Jitsi for Debian (Tails) doesn't look very promising at the moment: >> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=627362 > > I am actually a bigger fan of SFLPhone for simple, clean, secure VoIP on > Linux, and the good ne

Re: [tor-talk] TOR Fone - p2p secure and anonymous VoIP tool

2013-02-03 Thread Softail
What is your objection to C++? On 2/3/2013 08:48, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > It looks good - though I'm a bit sad to see that it appears to be > written in C++. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/m

Re: [tor-talk] TOR Fone - p2p secure and anonymous VoIP tool

2013-02-03 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Sun, Feb 03, 2013 at 01:49:50PM +, adrelanos wrote: > I haven't seen TOR Fone discussions on this list. Description (selection > by adrelanos, see TOR Fone homepage [1] for original text). Ugh! Another project using the Tor name in a confusing way (which will make people think it is support

Re: [tor-talk] TOR Fone - p2p secure and anonymous VoIP tool

2013-02-03 Thread adrelanos
Jacob Appelbaum: > It looks good - though I'm a bit sad to see that it appears to be > written in C++. Which languages would you prefer? ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-tal

Re: [tor-talk] TOR Fone - p2p secure and anonymous VoIP tool

2013-02-03 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 12:47:51 -0500 Roger Dingledine wrote: > I'll try to find some time to contact the person off-line and suggest > changing the name to 'OnionFone' or something more generic. Please > feel free to do so in parallel to me, since I know somebody here has > much more free time than

Re: [tor-talk] TOR Fone - p2p secure and anonymous VoIP tool

2013-02-03 Thread adrelanos
Andrew Lewman: > On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 12:47:51 -0500 > Roger Dingledine wrote: > >> I'll try to find some time to contact the person off-line and suggest >> changing the name to 'OnionFone' or something more generic. Please >> feel free to do so in parallel to me, since I know somebody here has >>

Re: [tor-talk] TOR Fone - p2p secure and anonymous VoIP tool

2013-02-03 Thread coderman
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Softail wrote: > What is your objection to C++? Jacob is not great at C++, apparently. (there is nothing wrong with C++ used properly and done well... except the lack of an ABI; you win some you lose some ;) on a more on-topic note i do not expect to see usable

Re: [tor-talk] TOR Fone - p2p secure and anonymous VoIP tool

2013-02-03 Thread adrelanos
coderman: > on a more on-topic note i do not expect to see usable VoIP over Tor > until datagram transport(s) are implemented. i'd love to be proved > wrong... Don't you think push to talk would be useful? ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torpro

Re: [tor-talk] TOR Fone - p2p secure and anonymous VoIP tool

2013-02-03 Thread coderman
"push-to-talk" with procedure words over zrtp would be applicable. use FEC to accommodate reasonable loss over datagram Tor. both Whisper Systems and Guardian Project are working on PTT capabilities, iirc. last but not least, the codec makes no difference until larger issues are worked out, for t

Re: [tor-talk] TOR Fone - p2p secure and anonymous VoIP tool

2013-02-03 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
On 2/3/13 9:23 PM, coderman wrote: > "push-to-talk" with procedure words over zrtp would be applicable. use > FEC to accommodate reasonable loss over datagram Tor. > > both Whisper Systems and Guardian Project are working on PTT > capabilities, iirc. > > last but not least, the codec makes no diffe

Re: [tor-talk] TOR Fone - p2p secure and anonymous VoIP tool

2013-02-03 Thread Van Gegel
Hi! Thank you for your comments and tips! I did not think this project as a finished product for practical use. This is only a platform to explore the possibility of transmission of voice over TOR. Also I tried to spend as little effort to research and choose the best for me platform for their e

Re: [tor-talk] TOR Fone - p2p secure and anonymous VoIP tool

2013-02-03 Thread Andreas Krey
On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 12:03:33 +, coderman wrote: ... > (there is nothing wrong with C++ used properly and done well... At some project size the 'used properly and done well' becomes a big if. I do some C++, but I can easily understand people not liking C++. Andreas -- "Totally trivial. Famou

Re: [tor-talk] TOR Fone - p2p secure and anonymous VoIP tool

2013-02-03 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
coderman: > On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Softail wrote: >> What is your objection to C++? > > Jacob is not great at C++, apparently. > > (there is nothing wrong with C++ used properly and done well... except > the lack of an ABI; you win some you lose some ;) > > > on a more on-topic note i

Re: [tor-talk] TOR Fone - p2p secure and anonymous VoIP tool

2013-02-03 Thread Softail
Agreed. I was wondering if there was some specific problem with C++ that I wasn't aware of. Thanks On 2/3/2013 14:14, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > My objection is that *many* people aren't very good at C or C++ ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torp

Re: [tor-talk] TOR Fone - p2p secure and anonymous VoIP tool

2013-02-03 Thread Softail
To be clearer, I was wondering if there was some specific security issue with C++. I'm aware that it is a difficult language to use correctly and often isn't. On 2/3/2013 14:22, Softail wrote: > Agreed. > > I was wondering if there was some specific problem with C++ that I > wasn't aware of. > > T

Re: [tor-talk] TOR Fone - p2p secure and anonymous VoIP tool

2013-02-03 Thread coderman
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > ... > To work over high latency (and tipically also low-bandwidth) with > reliable transport (like TCP/Tor) you need to use those multimedia strategy: > - setup a large static jitter buffer (you define the added artificial > latenc