[tor-talk] Hidden vs Clearnet Services (was: Attracting more community input on Tor issues)

2013-01-29 Thread Katya Titov
Raynardine : > I do not like connecting to clearnet services from Tor. > > I am not alone in this. > > There are arguments about the reasons why Tor hidden services can be > better than clearnet services for users as well, but that would derail > this thread. I would be interested in such a thr

[tor-talk] Hidden vs Clearnet Services (was: Attracting more community input on Tor issues)

2013-01-29 Thread Katya Titov
Raynardine : > I do not like connecting to clearnet services from Tor. > > I am not alone in this. > > There are arguments about the reasons why Tor hidden services can be > better than clearnet services for users as well, but that would derail > this thread. I would be interested in such a thr

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden vs Clearnet Services

2013-01-29 Thread Raynardine
On 1/29/2013 6:39 AM, Katya Titov wrote: > Raynardine : > >> I do not like connecting to clearnet services from Tor. >> >> I am not alone in this. >> >> There are arguments about the reasons why Tor hidden services can be >> better than clearnet services for users as well, but that would derail >>

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden vs Clearnet Services

2013-01-29 Thread Raynardine
On 1/29/2013 6:48 AM, Katya Titov wrote: > Raynardine : > >> I do not like connecting to clearnet services from Tor. >> >> I am not alone in this. >> >> There are arguments about the reasons why Tor hidden services can be >> better than clearnet services for users as well, but that would derail >>

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden vs Clearnet Services

2013-01-29 Thread k e bera
Both hidden and clearnet services can gather information to build profiles of their users over time, and try to correlate it with information from other services. What is stopping the operators from exploiting that information contrary to interests of the users? In the clearnet case, operators

[tor-talk] Errors in logfile, tor relay stuck @ 100% CPU

2013-01-29 Thread gijsje
Hey, my tor relay is suddenly experiencing issues. Even when there is no traffic the tor process consumes 100% CPU. The logfile is getting spammed with this message: [warn] tor_addr_is_internal(): Bug: tor_addr_is_internal() called with a non-IP address of type 204 Anyone have an idea what t

Re: [tor-talk] Errors in logfile, tor relay stuck @ 100% CPU

2013-01-29 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:28 AM, wrote: > Hey, > > my tor relay is suddenly experiencing issues. Even when there is no traffic > the tor process consumes 100% CPU. The logfile is getting spammed with this > message: > [warn] tor_addr_is_internal(): Bug: tor_addr_is_internal() called with a > non

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden vs Clearnet Services

2013-01-29 Thread Raynardine
On 1/29/2013 9:20 AM, k e bera wrote: > In the clearnet case, operators are accountable for their public promises and > by established norms and legalities of internet behaviour. What accountability? You mean the nice kind policemen in their blue shirts and shiny Justice-delivering guns? Sure,

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden vs Clearnet Services

2013-01-29 Thread adrelanos
>From point of view of hosting a hidden service, which is not hosted by anonymous people and which may alternatively also provide a clearnet domain. Positive aspects for hidden services over clearnet: 1) encrypted end-to-end (or "Tor" to "Tor") 2) therefore not dependent on SSL 3) hidden servic

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle .deb packaging solution

2013-01-29 Thread adrelanos
I find this awesome, but I wonder why there was not a single reply from anyone. It's been said, that Linux integration of TBB could be better and now someone is here to help but totally ignored. Everyone busy with other stuff? Micah Lee: > I posted about this the other day but I think most peopl

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle .deb packaging solution

2013-01-29 Thread Micah Lee
Right now no one owns the bug in trac, so I don't think anyone is thinking about it: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/5236 I have limited time and I'm not sure I want the responsibility of being the TBB deb package maintainer, although it shouldn't be much work since all the real wo

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden vs Clearnet Services

2013-01-29 Thread Raynardine
Thank you. To elaborate on those points: 1) Encrypted end-to-end (or "Tor" to "Tor") The end to end encryption (AKA "E2E") is one of the most important design aspects that could possibly exist. 2) Therefore not dependent on SSL SSL/TLS would be fine it they did not rely on Certificate Auth

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle .deb packaging solution

2013-01-29 Thread Raynardine
On 1/29/2013 2:49 PM, adrelanos wrote: > I find this awesome, but I wonder why there was not a single reply from > anyone. > > It's been said, that Linux integration of TBB could be better and now > someone is here to help but totally ignored. > > Everyone busy with other stuff? Awww. I see I don

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle .deb packaging solution

2013-01-29 Thread adrelanos
Raynardine: > > On 1/29/2013 2:49 PM, adrelanos wrote: >> I find this awesome, but I wonder why there was not a single reply from >> anyone. >> >> It's been said, that Linux integration of TBB could be better and now >> someone is here to help but totally ignored. >> >> Everyone busy with other st

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle .deb packaging solution

2013-01-29 Thread Raynardine
On 1/29/2013 5:07 PM, adrelanos wrote: > Raynardine: >> On 1/29/2013 2:49 PM, adrelanos wrote: >>> I find this awesome, but I wonder why there was not a single reply from >>> anyone. >>> >>> It's been said, that Linux integration of TBB could be better and now >>> someone is here to help but total

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden vs Clearnet Services

2013-01-29 Thread Katya Titov
Katya Titov : > Raynardine : > > > I do not like connecting to clearnet services from Tor. > > > > I am not alone in this. > > > > There are arguments about the reasons why Tor hidden services can be > > better than clearnet services for users as well, but that would > > derail this thread. >

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle .deb packaging solution

2013-01-29 Thread adrelanos
Raynardine: > > On 1/29/2013 5:07 PM, adrelanos wrote: >> Raynardine: >>> On 1/29/2013 2:49 PM, adrelanos wrote: I find this awesome, but I wonder why there was not a single reply from anyone. It's been said, that Linux integration of TBB could be better and now someone is

Re: [tor-talk] Hidden vs Clearnet Services

2013-01-29 Thread Raynardine
On 1/29/2013 5:55 PM, Katya Titov wrote: > Katya Titov : > > Thanks all for the information, and sorry for the double post. To > summarise, I see that the issues can be grouped into three areas: > privacy, political and technology. > The privacy side is about selecting what you require. This inc

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle .deb packaging solution

2013-01-29 Thread Raynardine
On 1/29/2013 6:07 PM, adrelanos wrote: > Raynardine: >> Maybe I'm having email server issues? I'm sure I sent one. > I am sure you have. I had issues with tormail as well. > > Check the archive. It's not there. > > https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-January/thread.html I see. If

[tor-talk] Directory Server Decentralization

2013-01-29 Thread Raynardine
I just wanted to ask here in Tor-Talk where the efforts to decentralize the Tor directory servers have gone so far? How far along is the Bridge Community idea? How far along is the Directory Server decentralization in general? How is the idea of breaking up the Tor relay list into smaller groups

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle .deb packaging solution

2013-01-29 Thread Micah Lee
On 01/29/2013 05:40 PM, Raynardine wrote: > If I cannot post here via Tormail, I'm excluded from the list completely. > > I really hope the admins can fix this. Do you remember what you had to say about this TBB deb packaging solution? -- Micah Lee https://twitter.com/micahflee signature.asc

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle .deb packaging solution

2013-01-29 Thread adrelanos
Raynardine: > > On 1/29/2013 6:07 PM, adrelanos wrote: >> Raynardine: >>> Maybe I'm having email server issues? I'm sure I sent one. >> I am sure you have. I had issues with tormail as well. >> >> Check the archive. It's not there. >> >> https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-January

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle .deb packaging solution

2013-01-29 Thread Raynardine
On 1/29/2013 8:02 PM, Micah Lee wrote: > On 01/29/2013 05:40 PM, Raynardine wrote: >> If I cannot post here via Tormail, I'm excluded from the list completely. >> >> I really hope the admins can fix this. > Do you remember what you had to say about this TBB deb packaging solution? Generally, yes.