Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 10:03:59PM +, adrelanos wrote: > A new law proposing to make Tor and similar software illegal in US would > be a damn hard hit against Tor. And the other remaining "free" countries > can establish similar laws. No more "free" countries = no more Tor. No more legal Tor,

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Ted Smith wrote: > What did that commenter do? They don't say. > > Further, "get an idea" isn't "statistics". Where did I talk about exit node statistics? I mentioned the possibility of gathering .onion access statistics. > No, but I'd rather say nothing than say

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread Andreas Krey
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 00:47:26 +, Maxim Kammerer wrote: ... > are stupid? As I said, it detracts from the project's credibility. > Anyone who installs Tor (or I2P, for that matter) and explores the > hidden services, Erm, how *do* you 'explore' hidden services? After all, they are not indexed by

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Andreas Krey wrote: > Erm, how *do* you 'explore' hidden services? The Hidden Wiki [1] is (or are, there have been several alternates) a good start. It used to be down quite often after some kids tried to play in vigilantism on Tor network, but seems quite stable

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread antispam06
Sorry for the rant. On Wed, Aug 8, 2012, at 23:47, Maxim Kammerer wrote: > Anyone who installs Tor (or I2P, for that matter) and explores the > hidden services, immediately sees the overwhelmingly illegal (mostly, > since it depends on jurisdiction) content. Anyone who runs an exit > node immediat

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread adrelanos
Eugen Leitl: > On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 10:03:59PM +, adrelanos wrote: > >> A new law proposing to make Tor and similar software illegal in US would >> be a damn hard hit against Tor. And the other remaining "free" countries >> can establish similar laws. No more "free" countries = no more Tor.

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread Ted Smith
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 09:54 +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote: > On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Ted Smith wrote: > > What did that commenter do? They don't say. > > > > Further, "get an idea" isn't "statistics". > > Where did I talk about exit node statistics? I mentioned the > possibility of gatherin

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread adrelanos
Ted Smith: >> So far you didn't say anything useful or non-obvious, so why did you >> post? You didn't like someone's written experience, so he is >> automatically a troll or a false flag — fine, bring your own >> references. > > I don't have to "bring my own references" to point out that the only

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:23:46 -0400 grarpamp wrote: > Tor cannot accept known 'illegal' money, therefore acknowledgement > is moot. About the best Tor could do is be able to accept anonymous > donations in the first place. Then publish a bitcoin address for > donations from anyone. Then surely some

Re: [tor-talk] Bug Remains: OpenSSL library does not load unless bridges are used

2012-08-09 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 3:52 PM, wrote: > This is a followup post on this issue which persists in Linux TBB 32bit, > version 2.2.37-2. > > Any idea for the cause? > > What occurs when it doesn't list the library loading (is the library > loading?) and why it's listed > only on a TBB reload? > >

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Ted Smith wrote: > How would you do that without facing the same problem as someone > wiretapping their own exit node? Do you have a CP classifier? Are you > going to load each .onion and manually verify if it contains CP? How are > you going to aggregate that into

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread adrelanos
Maxim Kammerer: > On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Ted Smith wrote: >> How would you do that without facing the same problem as someone >> wiretapping their own exit node? Do you have a CP classifier? Are you >> going to load each .onion and manually verify if it contains CP? How are >> you going t

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-09 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:23 AM, adrelanos wrote: > That wouldn't prove what Tor is used for most. > .onion is only a part of Tor. 1% or 99%? Who can know that? Now *that* can actually be measured at RV points, and I think should be a part of Tor metrics. I suspect that the ratio is much closer t

[tor-talk] Attack against Tor: Statistic Manipulation Attack

2012-08-09 Thread adrelanos
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Introduction: There are not only technical attacks against the Tor network. Another strong attack against Tor are legal attacks (i.e. attacking with laws, not saying the attack is legal). The adversary tries to put Tor into the worst light and tries

Re: [tor-talk] Anonymizing middlebox - What's the function of VirtualAddrNetwork config option?

2012-08-09 Thread Noel Pluny
On Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 05:39:29PM +, adrelanos wrote: Sorry for the delay but it is august. > > I read these articles but at this time I don't think they will apply to my > > situation because this is a "friendly" one. > > I don't understand. I don't really need a captive portal becaus