Re: [tor-talk] Blocking Shadowserver honeypots

2011-03-21 Thread Jan Reister
On 19/03/2011 00:02, Alexander Bernauer wrote: > I don't quite understand how any attacker is trapped by a honepot > that is publicly marked as being one. Furthermore, I don't know how > this IRC bot is able to operate with mail and web ports only as my > tor exit node is dropping everything else.

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread alex-tor
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:15:27PM -0400, Aplin, Justin M wrote: > welcome to peruse the source for any backdoors and compile it for > yourself, just to be sure. But make sure that you've compiled your compiler yourself with a compiler that you trust. http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html *

[tor-talk] Torbutton 1.3.2-alpha released

2011-03-21 Thread Mike Perry
Torbutton 1.3.2-alpha has been released at: https://www.torproject.org/torbutton/releases/torbutton-1.3.2-alpha.xpi This release features several fixes for some annoying Firefox 4 exceptions and popup issues, as well as a score of other bugfixes. I am hoping that this will be the last release bef

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Btfsplk
1st, thanks for the refresher, Paul. I'll bet most users didn't know Tor was started by the NRL. Unfortunately, for many, that won't ease their minds much. I don't have the knowledge & skills to check Tor's source code & bet well > 90% of users don't either. I know (knew) my comments on Tor

Re: [tor-talk] How evil is TLS cert collection?

2011-03-21 Thread Joseph Lorenzo Hall
It strikes me that I'd want notice (or the option to get notice) before submitting rare certs to the database... say a dialog like: "We're about to submit the certificate for the following site, [x] ok, [ ] no, do not submit this certificate. ([ ] remember this preference for this certificate)." My

Re: [tor-talk] Thoughts on proxy setup wrt insecure connections

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 2/28/2011 6:35 PM, Lucky Green wrote: Joe, This article is good intro to how the STARTTLS command would be used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STARTTLS In short, the client sends the STARTTLS command to the server to indicate a desire to use TLS encryption for the connection. STARTTLS is most

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Anders Andersson
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 4:32 AM, Ali-Reza Anghaie wrote: > I find it curious that ~credibility~ of tor is being called into > question by some. The source is readily available, the libraries it > compiles against are readily available, the change logs, code control > records, etc. are all readily

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Anders Andersson
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Joe Btfsplk wrote: > I've never known Sam to get involved in, or fund something - especially like > this - * w/o wanting something in return.*  Ever.  WHETHER or not they make > known, to anyone, what they want or intend to do.  It's been shown for over > 50 - 60

[tor-talk] Any iranian linux server for testing anti-anti-censorship tool?

2011-03-21 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
Hi all, a cool friend of mine made Sniffjoke, a very powerful software (http://www.delirandom.net/sniffjoke/) that apply multiple low-level techniques to tweak stateful inspection systems used by interception and censorship tool. We would be really happy to be able to test it on Iranian networks

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Paul Syverson
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 02:43:22PM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote: > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 4:32 AM, Ali-Reza Anghaie > wrote: > > I find it curious that ~credibility~ of tor is being called into > > question by some. The source is readily available, the libraries it > > compiles against are read

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread katmagic
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:07:49 -0400 Paul Syverson wrote: > universities are in on it, and the supposedly independent researchers > who found code flaws were also in on it (or sock puppets created by > Roger to create credibility). But at some point you have to look at > the size, diversity, and en

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 11:40 AM, katmagic wrote: > On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:07:49 -0400 > Paul Syverson wrote: > >> universities are in on it, and the supposedly independent researchers >> who found code flaws were also in on it (or sock puppets created by >> Roger to create credibility). But at s

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Martin Fick
--- On Mon, 3/21/11, Joe Btfsplk wrote: > It's a serious question.  Please save the "check the > source code yourself" comments.  Open source code means > literally nothing. You have three choices when it comes to trusting something: 1) you can check yourself, 2) you can have someone you trust

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Klaus Layer
Joe Btfsplk wrote on 21.03.2011: > Again, WHY would Sam develop or fund technology that would make it > possible for * their enemies * to communicate anonymously and > privately, possibly allowing them to plot against him, with ABSOLUTELY > no way to decipher that communication? > Do you rea

Re: [tor-talk] How evil is TLS cert collection?

2011-03-21 Thread Robert Ransom
On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:58:06 -0700 Mike Perry wrote: > So, the question for the bikeshed discussion then is what should the > default state of this collection be? Our thought is to provide > HTTPS-Everywhere users with this dialog on first-run > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/HTTPS

Re: [tor-talk] How evil is TLS cert collection?

2011-03-21 Thread Robert Ransom
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:05:30 -0400 Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: > It strikes me that I'd want notice (or the option to get notice) > before submitting rare certs to the database... say a dialog like: > "We're about to submit the certificate for the following site, [x] ok, > [ ] no, do not submit th

Re: [tor-talk] how to install torrent tor

2011-03-21 Thread Curious Kid
- Original Message > From: Moritz Bartl > To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org; torserv...@freelists.org > Sent: Mon, March 21, 2011 5:07:47 AM > Subject: Re: [tor-talk] how to install torrent tor > > Hi Zaher, > > On 20.03.2011 22:43, Zaher F. wrote: > > i have downloaded this one ...so

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 3/21/2011 10:07 AM, Paul Syverson wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 02:43:22PM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote: In a scenario where the military actually would hide something in the source, all programmers working on the project would of course be in on it together. There are only a handful of the

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Paul Syverson
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 02:06:04PM -0500, Joe Btfsplk wrote: > On 3/21/2011 10:07 AM, Paul Syverson wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 02:43:22PM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote: >>> In a scenario where the military actually >>> would hide something in the source, all programmers working on the >>> pr

Re: [tor-talk] how to install torrent tor

2011-03-21 Thread Justin Aplin
On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Curious Kid wrote: I looks to me like Zaher F. mistakenly believes that this is a bundle created to download torrents through Tor. I hope those mirrors you posted don't get blocked... It was my impression that his original question was a badly-worded variation

Re: [tor-talk] how to install torrent tor

2011-03-21 Thread Zaher F .
> From: jmap...@ufl.edu > To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:18:05 -0400 > Subject: Re: [tor-talk] how to install torrent tor > > On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Curious Kid wrote: > > > I looks to me like Zaher F. mistakenly believes that this is a > > bundle created

Re: [tor-talk] How evil is TLS cert collection?

2011-03-21 Thread Chris Palmer
On 03/20/2011 08:05 PM, Mike Perry wrote: >> if EFF was presented with a national security letter or other legal >> demand under seal demanding the existence of a given certificate not >> be exposed, would they be bound to not present a MITM alert for that >> cert? > > Leaving this for pde and/or

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 3/21/2011 2:39 PM, Paul Syverson wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 02:06:04PM -0500, Joe Btfsplk wrote: Last comments for a while. (All I have time for, sorry.) I'm just going to respond to specific issues about system threats and the like. I appreciate your comments & the work of all involved w

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Lucky Green
On 2011-03-21 16:17, Joe Btfsplk wrote: [...] > I don't pretend to know the answers, but know when to ask questions. > For all I know, the US wants the enemy to use Tor for plotting, thinking > they're anonymous, when they're not. No one's answering my specific > questions, possibly because if th

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Al MailingList
That's a very good point klaus. Joe - if you think the US Government is one big cohesive entity that funds projects consistently from a single pool of resources and money then I would politely suggest you may not have had much to do with them :P Alfred On 21 Mar 2011 16:27, "Klaus Layer" wrote:

Re: [tor-talk] How evil is TLS cert collection?

2011-03-21 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Robert Ransom (rransom.8...@gmail.com): > On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:58:06 -0700 > Mike Perry wrote: > > > However, I'm not sure that this is going to work for Tor Browser > > Bundle users (which ships with HTTPS Everywhere) who may have the TBB > > on readonly USB keys or live cds. They

Re: [tor-talk] How evil is TLS cert collection?

2011-03-21 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Robert Ransom (rransom.8...@gmail.com): > On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:05:30 -0400 > Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: > > > It strikes me that I'd want notice (or the option to get notice) > > before submitting rare certs to the database... say a dialog like: > > "We're about to submit the certif

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Aplin, Justin M (jmap...@ufl.edu): > On 3/20/2011 11:04 PM, Edward Langenback wrote: > >Joe Btfsplk wrote: > >>EVEN if it's not true, for me, Tor project has lost a good deal of its > >>credibility through its associations. Of course, no government would > >>ever lie& neither would a

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Ali-Reza Anghaie
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 3:16 AM, Mike Perry wrote: > For example: "Trust the community. So many different people have > worked on, volunteered for, attacked, reviewed, and researched > tor-related topics from so many different institutions and backgrounds > that it is *the* most extensively studie

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Joe Btfsplk (joebtfs...@gmx.com): > On 3/21/2011 2:39 PM, Paul Syverson wrote: > >On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 02:06:04PM -0500, Joe Btfsplk wrote: > >Last comments for a while. (All I have time for, sorry.) I'm just > >going to respond to specific issues about system threats and the > >lik