Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

On 4/30/19, Georg Koppen wrote: > Lee: >> On 4/5/19, Lee wrote: >>> On 4/5/19, Kevin Simper wrote: You should submit a patch, that would be a great way to move the conversation forward 😄 >>> >>> If I thought they'd add some warnings, sure, but I suspect that adding >>> anything that wou

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

Lee: > On 4/5/19, Lee wrote: >> On 4/5/19, Kevin Simper wrote: >>> You should submit a patch, that would be a great way to move the >>> conversation forward 😄 >> >> If I thought they'd add some warnings, sure, but I suspect that adding >> anything that would make the tor browser look less than per

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

On 4/5/19, Lee wrote: > On 4/5/19, Kevin Simper wrote: >> You should submit a patch, that would be a great way to move the >> conversation forward 😄 > > If I thought they'd add some warnings, sure, but I suspect that adding > anything that would make the tor browser look less than perfectly safe >

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

> global adversaries > "they don't likely exist, or if they do, they're our friends" Highly capable Global Adversaries are well known to exist. TOP SECRET friends may perhaps be the friends of few, often end up generally corruptive, less than stellar, an uncertainty, etc... thus really shouldn't

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change / contributing

entensai...@use.startmail.com: > Dear all, > > Sorry for not replying to a specific mail. > I believe it is possible to extract valuable information from the > comments on this mailing list and I would like to help improve the > website. So I have a few questions: > > Is there a specific group of

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

-Original Message- From: udo...@xs4all.nl A bit of time has passed since the feedback on the 'new' torproject website. It appears nothing has changed there What is the plan here? Should we accept changes as this one as 'normal'? Udo You might as well. From the tone of the bulletins

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change / contributing

I am really glad you like the post, it means a lot you wrote that! If you want to help with the website you should reach out to the UX Team that you can find in the Trac wiki. > On 11 Apr 2019, at 10.19, entensai...@use.startmail.com wrote: > > Dear all, > > Sorry for not replying to a specif

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change / contributing

Dear all, Sorry for not replying to a specific mail. I believe it is possible to extract valuable information from the comments on this mailing list and I would like to help improve the website. So I have a few questions: Is there a specific group of people working on the website? How do you

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

* Udo van den Heuvel: > What is the plan here? My impression is that those involved in developing that monstrosity of a website expect critics to suck it up. I repeat what I said on the tor-users list: I think the new site is dumbed down way too much, and I'd like to have the old site back, becau

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

On 06-04-19 11:10, Anders Andersson wrote: > Today every website looks like an advertisement meant to be viewed in > the couch on your iPad, carefully planned so that you have to scroll > through the content. A bit of time has passed since the feedback on the 'new' torproject website. It appears

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 10:47 AM grarpamp wrote: > Anyhow... > > The last actual use case warning or disclaimer on torproject.org > was removed by or on October 10 2010. Some historical bisects.. > > Site v1 > first, domain 1998-01-29 > http://web.archive.org/web/19981212031609/http://www.onion-rou

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

On 4/5/19, Kevin Simper wrote: > You should submit a patch, that would be a great way to move the > conversation forward 😄 If I thought they'd add some warnings, sure, but I suspect that adding anything that would make the tor browser look less than perfectly safe isn't going to happen. For the

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

You should submit a patch, that would be a great way to move the conversation forward 😄 -Kevin On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:34 PM Lee wrote: > On 4/5/19, Kevin Simper wrote: > > I think the website is good, > > If they'd fix the download link on > https://www.torproject.org/download/ it would be a

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

On 4/5/19, Kevin Simper wrote: > I think the website is good, If they'd fix the download link on https://www.torproject.org/download/ it would be a lot better. > I felt before that it left out newcomers that > didn't know what torbrowser was already, so much was going on that it would > confuse

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

I think the website is good, I felt before that it left out newcomers that didn't know what torbrowser was already, so much was going on that it would confuse people that just have heard others mention tor browser and want to check it out. I think there is still space for more nerdy pages and I th

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

On 4/3/19, blacklight...@tutanota.com wrote: > Pretty sure this guy is just trolling and baiting at this point It looks more like frustration to me >> The last actual use case warning or disclaimer on torproject.org >> was removed by or on October 10 2010. Starting at https://www.torproject.org

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

Pretty sure this guy is just trolling and baiting at this point Apr 3, 2019, 10:47 AM by grarp...@gmail.com: >> why adversaries should finance tor project and publicly it if they have >> a malicious intent? >> > > Why do adversaries do that to their opponents? > Because it's a simple and effectiv

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

> why adversaries should finance tor project and publicly it if they have > a malicious intent? Why do adversaries do that to their opponents? Because it's a simple and effective diversion operation. Nor is it dependant upon whether any "malicious intent". Adversaries often fund their opponents to

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

On 03/29/2019 08:36 AM, dns1...@riseup.net wrote: > Excuse my bad English, probably I'm not writing correctly. > > In the mail of 28 March 2019 11:06:07 CET, from grarpamp, I read: > > "... > > " > a 501(c)3 US nonprofit. > " > With rather curious amounts of potentially highly > user adversarial

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

Excuse my bad English, probably I'm not writing correctly. In the mail of 28 March 2019 11:06:07 CET, from grarpamp, I read: "... " a 501(c)3 US nonprofit. " With rather curious amounts of potentially highly user adversarial funding sources. ..." Il 29/03/19 14:36, Mirimir ha scritto: On 03/2

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

On 03/29/2019 06:07 AM, dns1...@riseup.net wrote: > I'm not in the position to talk about the architecture or other > technical aspects because I'm not expert enough. I don't say that the > network doesn't have problems. > > But i think that some things you said are a bit of stretch; for example,

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

I'm not in the position to talk about the architecture or other technical aspects because I'm not expert enough. I don't say that the network doesn't have problems. But i think that some things you said are a bit of stretch; for example, why adversaries should finance tor project and publicly

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 05:39:00AM -0700, Mirimir wrote: > On 03/28/2019 02:27 AM, Nicolas Vigier wrote: > > On Wed, 27 Mar 2019, Mirimir wrote: > > > >> On 03/27/2019 08:01 AM, Udo van den Heuvel wrote: > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> Who changed the web content at https://www.torproject.org/download/ ?

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

On 3/28/19, dns1...@riseup.net wrote: > I think you are affected by cognitive bias. Tor is effected by lack of external thought. > You are blindly looking only for bad things. Your adversaries are assuredly looking at those things and more. If you are not looking at them, you're done in mate.

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

00 To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org, miri...@riseup.net Subject: Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change On 27-03-19 18:46, Mirimir wrote: > Yes, the Tor Project site has increasingly focused on Tor browser. I see. Is that helping tor? It looks like the website maintainers do not unders

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

On 03/28/2019 02:27 AM, Nicolas Vigier wrote: > On Wed, 27 Mar 2019, Mirimir wrote: > >> On 03/27/2019 08:01 AM, Udo van den Heuvel wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> Who changed the web content at https://www.torproject.org/download/ ? >>> Previously I could relatively easily check for the latest tor vers

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

On 03/27/2019 11:19 PM, Shreyas Zare wrote: > Tor (Expert Bundle) for Windows link is also missing in new download page. > I hope it gets added on the advance install option page. > > *Shreyas Zare* > Technitium The Tor Project has been discouraging standalone use of Tor

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

I think you are affected by cognitive bias. You are blindly looking only for bad things. Of course the network is not perfect, but is the best we have, and we should make our best to improve it. I instead see that you are trying yo delegitimate everything. If you don't like why are you still her

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

" torproject.org frontpage " " DEFEND AGAINST SURVEILLANCE Tor Browser prevents someone watching your connection from knowing what websites you visit. All anyone monitoring your browsing habits can see is that you're using Tor. " This is false [1], and intentionally preloaded with [use case and

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

On Wed, 27 Mar 2019, Mirimir wrote: > On 03/27/2019 08:01 AM, Udo van den Heuvel wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Who changed the web content at https://www.torproject.org/download/ ? > > Previously I could relatively easily check for the latest tor version > > but now I get only a number of tor browser

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

Tor (Expert Bundle) for Windows link is also missing in new download page. I hope it gets added on the advance install option page. *Shreyas Zare* Technitium On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:23 AM Udo van den Heuvel wrote: > On 27-03-19 18:46, Mirimir wrote: > > Yes, the Tor

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

On 27-03-19 18:46, Mirimir wrote: > Yes, the Tor Project site has increasingly focused on Tor browser. I see. Is that helping tor? It looks like the website maintainers do not understand tor well enough. Udo -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

On 03/27/2019 08:01 AM, Udo van den Heuvel wrote: > Hello, > > Who changed the web content at https://www.torproject.org/download/ ? > Previously I could relatively easily check for the latest tor version > but now I get only a number of tor browser options in a page that is way > too big for what

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

On 27-03-19 18:23, Udo van den Heuvel wrote: > Via the FAQ link I got to (in order) these and finally found a tor > download link: > > https://2019.www.torproject.org/docs/trademark-faq > https://2019.www.torproject.org/projects/projects.html.en > https://2019.www.torproject.org/docs/documentation

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

Via the FAQ link I got to (in order) these and finally found a tor download link: https://2019.www.torproject.org/docs/trademark-faq https://2019.www.torproject.org/projects/projects.html.en https://2019.www.torproject.org/docs/documentation.html.en https://2019.www.torproject.org/download/downloa

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 4:46 PM Matthew Finkel wrote: > Now the page is concise and provides links for exactly the version a user > likely needs. > Just my 10p here. Most pages are concise to a fault, in my opinion. My 4k monitor is mostly filled with dead space on most pages, which doesn't feel

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

Check the text at https://support.torproject.org/#gettor How do I download Tor if the torproject.org is blocked? If you can't download Tor through our website, you can get a copy of Tor delivered to you via GetTor. GetTor is a service that automatically responds to messages with links to the lat

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

On 27-03-19 17:46, Matthew Finkel wrote: > The website design started at least 6 years ago, if not longer. Multiple > people worked on it and made it possible. The new website provides a > more welcoming interface, in particular for new users. Now the page is > concise and provides links for exactl

Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 04:01:04PM +0100, Udo van den Heuvel wrote: > Hello, > > Who changed the web content at https://www.torproject.org/download/ ? > Previously I could relatively easily check for the latest tor version > but now I get only a number of tor browser options in a page that is way

[tor-talk] tor project website change

Hello, Who changed the web content at https://www.torproject.org/download/ ? Previously I could relatively easily check for the latest tor version but now I get only a number of tor browser options in a page that is way too big for what it offers. (and I use a 4K screen) Why was this done? What pu