On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:13:15 -0500
grarpamp wrote:
> For many people, those benefits outweigh the talked about risks.
> So install them if you like. But I don't think it's right to ask
> torproject to install the plugin of the day as a convenience factor.
Yes. Despite my qualms (I despise the ide
I can see a siteA or adnet recognizing a unique is visiting them by
watching your ad pulling profile, especially if you customized it.
I can see adnet maybe knowing you're the same user on siteA and siteB.
I can maybe even see siteA knowing you're the same user on siteB if
the sites share intel wit
On 11/7/2012 11:09 PM, Julian Yon wrote:
It's not specific to AdBlock. If everybody used exactly the same fixed
list it wouldn't be an issue. But not there are a zillion ad networks
out there and incredible as it is some people actually click the damn
things. After all, if they didn't the industr
On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 21:35:40 -0600
Joe Btfsplk wrote:
> > Further, adblocker filter choices are fingerprintable.
> I'm only using AdBlock as an example. But in reality, if 90% of all
> TBB
> - English users had [something like] AdBlock & they all used
> [something like] either "Easy List" or "F
On 11/7/2012 10:27 AM, Julian Yon wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:14:25 +
adrelanos wrote:
Aside from my thoughts on advertising as an adversary, I do think that
the load on the network and associated slowdown is a problem. I only
run a relay on and off but I do wonder how much of my bandwid
On 11/6/2012 4:44 PM, Mike Perry wrote:
I am deeply opposed to shipping an always-on universal adblocker with
the default TBB. I think it would be political suicide in terms of
accomplishing our goals with acceptance of Tor users by sites, lobbying
for private browsing origin changes, and convin
On 11/07/2012 05:52 PM, and...@torproject.is wrote:
> I like https://www.requestpolicy.com/. Never request the 3rd party domains
> in the first place. However, for most users, it makes the web unusable
> because they don't understand how websites really work these days. As a
Interesting.. was cons
On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:14:25 +
adrelanos wrote:
> Will TBB due to ads ever be that slow that the anonymity given by Tor
> and browser fingerprinting defense (TBB) alone just don't make it? If
> yes, they will probable go the "web cleaning way".
Aside from my thoughts on advertising as an adv
Joe Btfsplk:
> On 11/4/2012 5:45 AM, and...@torproject.is wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 01:06:50PM -0500, joebtfs...@gmx.com wrote
>> 1.3K bytes in 26 lines about:
>> : TBB is already slow, which is understandable. Using "stock" TBB
>> : that allows ads & possibly other items increasing bandwi
On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 06:44:20 +0100
Andreas Krey wrote:
> Why should they? They have 99.9% of low-hanging fruit (non-tor users)
> that they can go after easily; putting money on the 0.1% isn't
> sensible at all for them. While the TLAs don't care for the majority
> and don't want to be unable to ge
On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 00:37:57 -0800
Mike Perry wrote:
> I considered writing an in-depth reply questioning the distinction
> between these "Global Adversary" third parties and the first parties
> that would willingly collaborate with such third parties, but I think
> in the interest of brevity, I'l
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 12:37:57AM -0800, mikepe...@torproject.org wrote 3.3K
bytes in 88 lines about:
: If not, can you suggest an alternate, non-regex ablocker design that
: would withstand such a threat?
I like https://www.requestpolicy.com/. Never request the 3rd party domains
in the first pl
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 06:44:20AM +0100, Andreas Krey wrote:
> at all for them. While the TLAs don't care for the majority and don't
> want to be unable to get at the last few users.
I think you're painting an idealized view of an intelligence agency.
They have to file their reports, and there
Thus spake Julian Yon (jul...@yon.org.uk):
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:44:37 -0800
> Mike Perry wrote:
>
> > I am deeply opposed to shipping an always-on universal adblocker with
> > the default TBB. I think it would be political suicide in terms of
> > accomplishing our goals with acceptance of Tor
On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 03:39:34 +, Julian Yon wrote:
...
> (2) Given what they can already do using technologies we know about, I
> can't help wondering if the advertising industry is in fact the true
> Global Adversary. It wouldn't surprise me if they were putting more
> resources into beating To
On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:44:37 -0800
Mike Perry wrote:
> I am deeply opposed to shipping an always-on universal adblocker with
> the default TBB. I think it would be political suicide in terms of
> accomplishing our goals with acceptance of Tor users by sites,
> lobbying for private browsing origin
Thus spake Joe Btfsplk (joebtfs...@gmx.com):
> On 11/4/2012 5:45 AM, and...@torproject.is wrote:
> >On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 01:06:50PM -0500, joebtfs...@gmx.com wrote 1.3K
> >bytes in 26 lines about:
> >: TBB is already slow, which is understandable. Using "stock" TBB
> >: that allows ads & poss
On 11/4/2012 5:45 AM, and...@torproject.is wrote:
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 01:06:50PM -0500, joebtfs...@gmx.com wrote 1.3K bytes
in 26 lines about:
: TBB is already slow, which is understandable. Using "stock" TBB
: that allows ads & possibly other items increasing bandwidth is far
: slower on m
I have some undergrads looking for capstone projects, I can show this to
them as a possible research question.
--
Greg Norcie (g...@norcie.com)
GPG key: 0x1B873635
On 11/4/12 6:45 AM, and...@torproject.is wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 01:06:50PM -0500, joebtfs...@gmx.com wrote 1.3K bytes
> in
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 01:06:50PM -0500, joebtfs...@gmx.com wrote 1.3K bytes
in 26 lines about:
: TBB is already slow, which is understandable. Using "stock" TBB
: that allows ads & possibly other items increasing bandwidth is far
: slower on many sites - even news sites - than same TBB version
On 11/2/2012 10:29 PM, k e bera wrote:
I'm not sure why there would be leaks with ABP. Afaik it doesnt send
information. However it does update its blocklists which might be
language-specific, which splits the anonymity set (if i understand the
concept). Regarding use of ABP itself among non-To
On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:06:50 -0500
Joe Btfsplk wrote:
> Most everyone's read the advice about not using extra addons / plugins
> in TBB, due to possible anonymity leaks. I understand.
> TBB is already slow, which is understandable. Using "stock" TBB that
> allows ads & possibly other items in
Most everyone's read the advice about not using extra addons / plugins
in TBB, due to possible anonymity leaks. I understand.
TBB is already slow, which is understandable. Using "stock" TBB that
allows ads & possibly other items increasing bandwidth is far slower on
many sites - even news site
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