Re: [tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-14 Thread Orionjur Tor-admin
On 12.09.2011 21:09, Phillip wrote: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/30/pakistan-bans-encryption-software > >> Sometimes ago the Live Journal became the mainest Russian oppositional >> informatinal playground. Because it, the Putin's junta gave order to >> their commercials to by the

Re: [tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-12 Thread Phillip
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/30/pakistan-bans-encryption-software >>> It is very bad news because I am affraid that another tyrannical regimes >>> such as Russian can make do it too. >>> But it seems to me that Tor-users can use bridges and etc. for avoiding >>> repressive measures

Re: [tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-12 Thread M
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Andrew Lewman wrote: > > We are working on pluggable transports and obfuscating the tor procotol so > that we can fool a deep packet inspection device to some level. See > https://gitweb.torproject.org/obfsproxy.git for extremely experimental > code. > > Hope it g

Re: [tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-12 Thread Orionjur Tor-admin
On 09.09.2011 23:39, Phillip wrote: > >>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/30/pakistan-bans-encryption-software >>> >>> >> It is very bad news because I am affraid that another tyrannical regimes >> such as Russian can make do it too. >> But it seems to me that Tor-users can use bridges an

Re: [tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-11 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Saturday, September 10, 2011 23:18:04 Andre Risling wrote: > Does that mean even though Pakistan has banned encrypted traffic that > Tor can still work because users are connecting by way of bridges? Perhaps I wasn't clear. Pakistan has banned all encryption on the Internet inside their count

Re: [tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-11 Thread Koh Choon Lin
Hi >> Because encryption is illegal, not ip addresses and port combinations. >> At the most basic level, they could just block tcp 443 and probably >> stop the most customers with that alone. If the ISPs really care, then >> deep packet inspection is the next probability to detect and block >> any

Re: [tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-10 Thread Andre Risling
On Saturday, September 10, 2011 9:55 PM, and...@torproject.org wrote: > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:08:35PM +0100, pump...@cotse.net wrote 0.7K > bytes in 16 lines about: > : Forgive my ignorance but why would there be any need to inspect > : packets for tunnels? Would the authorities not just ask

Re: [tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-10 Thread andrew
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:08:35PM +0100, pump...@cotse.net wrote 0.7K bytes in 16 lines about: : Forgive my ignorance but why would there be any need to inspect : packets for tunnels? Would the authorities not just ask every ISP : to monitor the IPs to which their clients are connecting and if t

Re: [tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-10 Thread Ted Smith
On Sat, 2011-09-10 at 22:08 +0100, Matthew wrote: > >> It would be good to know what technologies these ISPs will implement to > >> do the packet inspection for encrypted tunnels. Half the problem is you > >> don't really know what they'll be looking for and so you don't know how > >> to circumven

Re: [tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-10 Thread Matthew
It would be good to know what technologies these ISPs will implement to do the packet inspection for encrypted tunnels. Half the problem is you don't really know what they'll be looking for and so you don't know how to circumvent. Forgive my ignorance but why would there be any need to inspect

Re: [tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-10 Thread andrew
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 05:13:32AM +, moeedsa...@gmail.com wrote 4.5K bytes in 111 lines about: : would using bridges prevent the ISP from knowing that a person is using tor? Yes. However, any analysis of the traffic using deep packet inspection will show it is using encryption which is illeg

Re: [tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-09 Thread M
would using bridges prevent the ISP from knowing that a person is using tor? On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 1:04 AM, wrote: > On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 10:23:41PM +0100, pump...@cotse.net wrote 1.4K > bytes in 42 lines about: > : > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/30/pakistan-bans-encryption-soft

Re: [tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-09 Thread andrew
On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 10:23:41PM +0100, pump...@cotse.net wrote 1.4K bytes in 42 lines about: : http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/30/pakistan-bans-encryption-software I talked to someone from the pakistani government about this encryption ban early this spring. They were concerned that

Re: [tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-09 Thread Phillip
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/30/pakistan-bans-encryption-software >> >> > It is very bad news because I am affraid that another tyrannical regimes > such as Russian can make do it too. > But it seems to me that Tor-users can use bridges and etc. for avoiding > repressive measures fr

Re: [tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-09 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 09/08/2011 08:02 PM, David H. Lipman wrote: > From: "Anthony G. Basile" > >> On 09/08/2011 05:23 PM, Matthew wrote: >>> >>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/30/pakistan-bans-encryption-software >>> >>> >> >> Very disturbing. I wonder if its possible to hide encrypted traffic as >> se

Re: [tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-09 Thread Dave Jevans
DARPA has funded a project to develop a stego type communications system as a "next generation TOR". Its called SAFER Warfighter Communications. http://www.darpa.mil/Our_Work/I2O/Programs/SAFER_Warfighter_Communications_(SAFER).aspx On Sep 8, 2011, at 7:00 PM, "Michael Holstein" wrote: >

Re: [tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-08 Thread Orionjur Tor-admin
On 08.09.2011 21:23, Matthew wrote: > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/30/pakistan-bans-encryption-software > > > > > ___ > tor-talk mailing list > tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-ta

Re: [tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-08 Thread Michael Holstein
> Very disturbing. I wonder if its possible to hide encrypted traffic as > seemingly unencrypted http traffic in much the same way as a gpg key is > rendered as ascii armored, or stenographically inside images. Although > such methods may be inefficient, they may be good enough for some purpose

Re: [tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-08 Thread David H. Lipman
From: "Anthony G. Basile" > On 09/08/2011 05:23 PM, Matthew wrote: >> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/30/pakistan-bans-encryption-software >> >> > > Very disturbing. I wonder if its possible to hide encrypted traffic as > seemingly unencrypted http traffic in much the same way as a

[tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-08 Thread Matthew
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/30/pakistan-bans-encryption-software ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Tor banned in Pakistan.

2011-09-08 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 09/08/2011 05:23 PM, Matthew wrote: > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/30/pakistan-bans-encryption-software > > Very disturbing. I wonder if its possible to hide encrypted traffic as seemingly unencrypted http traffic in much the same way as a gpg key is rendered as ascii armored