Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-12 Thread Dennis Fink
On Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 06:16:25AM +, oneoft...@riseup.net wrote: > Hi, > > Can someone point me to an overview of the different legal situations for > running tor relays in European countries? I'm especially interested how the > situation differs per country. > I'm from the luxembourgish tor

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-12 Thread Linus Nordberg
Moritz Bartl wrote Thu, 12 Mar 2015 09:58:00 +0100: | >>> I mean the only reason, why there is more Tor-Exit-IPs | in the abuse log than any other single unique IP is that there is tens | of thousand of users using each Tor-Exit. | >> If this claim could be substantiated by some numbers

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-12 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 03/11/2015 10:57 PM, yl wrote: >>> I mean the only reason, why there is more Tor-Exit-IPs in the abuse log than any other single unique IP is that there is tens of thousand of users using each Tor-Exit. >> If this claim could be substantiated by some numbers it'd certainly help. > I fu

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-11 Thread yl
Am 09.03.2015 um 23:39 schrieb Markus Hitter: >> I mean the only reason, why there is more Tor-Exit-IPs >> > in the abuse log than any other single unique IP is that there is tens >> > of thousand of users using each Tor-Exit. > If this claim could be substantiated by some numbers it'd certainly he

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-11 Thread Aaron Gibson
On 2015-03-09 18:40, Markus Hitter wrote: Am 09.03.2015 um 16:08 schrieb Steve Snyder: Being able to separate webmail from the parent web presence (e.g. gmail from google.com, Yahoo Mail from yahoo.com, etc.) would be a big step forward in curbing spam. This would allow the exit operation to re

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-10 Thread Corey Wood
This is definitely a positive for the UK. One of many battles we could have easily lost to a conservative government pushing authoritarian policies. As long as it doesn't get pushed under the carpet this could help defend the cause of civil liberties. Here are two articles on it: http://bit.ly/199d

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-10 Thread Jan Reister
In the UK: The darknet and online anonymity - POST Note Published 09 March 2015 It's a briefing from The Parliamentary Office of Science and Technology, mainly about Tor. http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/POST-PN-488/the-darknet-and-online-anonymity Jan ___

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-09 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 09.03.2015 um 23:09 schrieb yl: > So wouldn't the correct solution also be to educate the administrators > of such services? Yes, of course. With the _also_ underlined. > I mean the only reason, why there is more Tor-Exit-IPs > in the abuse log than any other single unique IP is that there is

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-09 Thread Sebastian Urbach
On March 9, 2015 11:16:34 PM yl wrote: Am 09.03.2015 um 22:53 schrieb Markus Hitter: > It certainly wasn't meant this way. The point of these considerations is: of what use is an anonymous network if virtually no website accepts connections from it? Right: it's of not much use, with most of t

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-09 Thread yl
Am 09.03.2015 um 22:53 schrieb Markus Hitter: > It certainly wasn't meant this way. The point of these considerations is: of > what use is an anonymous network if virtually no website accepts connections > from it? Right: it's of not much use, with most of the public internet > blocked you can c

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-09 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 09.03.2015 um 20:33 schrieb grarpamp: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Markus Hitter wrote: >> > Am 09.03.2015 um 16:08 schrieb Steve Snyder: >>> >> Being able to separate webmail from the parent web presence (e.g. >>> >> gmail from google.com, Yahoo Mail from yahoo.com, etc.) would be a >>> >

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-09 Thread grarpamp
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:41 PM, grarpamp wrote: > You could create a user maintained wikitable of all countries in > regard to line items of relavence to people in anonymizing networks, > crypto, retention, etc. In fact, collaboration with researchers such as Koops to present the relavent info in

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-09 Thread Rejo Zenger
++ 09/03/15 06:16 + - oneoft...@riseup.net: Can someone point me to an overview of the different legal situations for running tor relays in European countries? I'm especially interested how the situation differs per country. I can't really help you: I don't have the overview of Europe, nor

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-09 Thread Steve Snyder
On Monday, March 9, 2015 3:33pm, "grarpamp" said: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Markus Hitter wrote: >> Am 09.03.2015 um 16:08 schrieb Steve Snyder: >>> Being able to separate webmail from the parent web presence (e.g. >>> gmail from google.com, Yahoo Mail from yahoo.com, etc.) would be a >>

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-09 Thread grarpamp
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 7:17 AM, Sebastian Urbach wrote: > On March 9, 2015 7:17:20 AM oneoft...@riseup.net wrote: >> Can someone point me to an overview of the different legal situations >> for running tor relays in European countries? I'm especially interested >> how the situation differs per cou

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-09 Thread grarpamp
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Markus Hitter wrote: > Am 09.03.2015 um 16:08 schrieb Steve Snyder: >> Being able to separate webmail from the parent web presence (e.g. >> gmail from google.com, Yahoo Mail from yahoo.com, etc.) would be a >> big step forward in curbing spam. This would allow the

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-09 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 09.03.2015 um 16:08 schrieb Steve Snyder: > Being able to separate webmail from the parent web presence (e.g. > gmail from google.com, Yahoo Mail from yahoo.com, etc.) would be a > big step forward in curbing spam. This would allow the exit > operation to refuse traffic to the webmail service w

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-09 Thread Markus Hitter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 09.03.2015 um 16:02 schrieb s7r: > Your arguments are fair and correct and mostly I tend to agree. > > But, the port scans, malware distribution and spamming existed before > Tor, exist in parallel with Tor and will continue to exist even if Tor >

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-09 Thread Steve Snyder
On Monday, March 9, 2015 10:40am, "Markus Hitter" said: > Am 09.03.2015 um 15:13 schrieb s7r: [snip] > One flaw which IMHO has to be solved sooner or later is the openess to abuse. > Like > port scans, like malware distribution, like spamming, you name it. Right now > this > task is left to the

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-09 Thread s7r
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Markus, Your arguments are fair and correct and mostly I tend to agree. But, the port scans, malware distribution and spamming existed before Tor, exist in parallel with Tor and will continue to exist even if Tor will disappear. I admin a lot of s

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-09 Thread Sebastian Urbach
On March 9, 2015 3:14:37 PM s7r wrote: Hi, -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 3/9/2015 1:17 PM, Sebastian Urbach wrote: > On March 9, 2015 7:17:20 AM oneoft...@riseup.net wrote: > > Hi John, > >> Can someone point me to an overview of the different legal >> situations for ru

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-09 Thread Markus Hitter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 09.03.2015 um 15:13 schrieb s7r: > This is a speculation and it's not backed up by anything real. Can you > define "crack down on Tor"? People and organizations are researching > and trying to find a flaw in Tor since Tor was born - there is a good

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-09 Thread s7r
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 3/9/2015 1:17 PM, Sebastian Urbach wrote: > On March 9, 2015 7:17:20 AM oneoft...@riseup.net wrote: > > Hi John, > >> Can someone point me to an overview of the different legal >> situations for running tor relays in European countries? I'm >>

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-09 Thread Stephen R Guglielmo
On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 06:16:25 + oneoft...@riseup.net wrote: > Can someone point me to an overview of the different legal situations > for running tor relays in European countries? I'm especially > interested how the situation differs per country. Not exactly what you wanted, but this may be re

Re: [tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

2015-03-09 Thread Sebastian Urbach
On March 9, 2015 7:17:20 AM oneoft...@riseup.net wrote: Hi John, Can someone point me to an overview of the different legal situations for running tor relays in European countries? I'm especially interested how the situation differs per country. I don't think that we have something like that