Re: [tor-relays] Cloudflare Onions Beta and Network Stability

Imagine if Cloudflare adds CAPTCHAs to Onion services. Now that’d be something 😂 On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 1:18 PM grarpamp wrote: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 7:19 PM, Alec Muffett > wrote: > > Even if Cloudflare onionified a bazillion domain names, there are still > only > > a few million people wh

Re: [tor-relays] Cloudflare Onions Beta and Network Stability

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 7:19 PM, Alec Muffett wrote: > Even if Cloudflare onionified a bazillion domain names, there are still only > a few million people who use Tor who could generate the load to connect to > them. And none of those who could, will, because cloudflare will google recaptcha slav

Re: [tor-relays] Cloudflare Onions Beta and Network Stability

> On 21 Aug 2018, at 07:39, DaKnOb wrote: > > Cloudflare had a post yesterday[1] on their blog[2] that said they have about > 10,000,000 domain names using their service. So that’s a rough number of the > maximum number of websites that will be made available over Tor. Now in > reality I expe

Re: [tor-relays] Cloudflare Onions Beta and Network Stability

On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 06:53:00 + Georg Koppen wrote: > nusenu: > > > > > > Nathaniel Suchy: > >> As some of you may have heard, Cloudflare is beta testing opportunistic > >> onions. This of course is going to create more Tor traffic. Cloudflare has > >> several concerns about running their ow

Re: [tor-relays] Cloudflare Onions Beta and Network Stability

nusenu: > > > Nathaniel Suchy: >> As some of you may have heard, Cloudflare is beta testing opportunistic >> onions. This of course is going to create more Tor traffic. Cloudflare has >> several concerns about running their own relays and says they won’t at this >> time. That said if every Cloudf

Re: [tor-relays] Cloudflare Onions Beta and Network Stability

On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 at 07:09, DaKnOb wrote: > Also, I don’t think Cloudflare spent so much time in engineering, just to take down Tor.. I've known people at Cloudflare talking about doing something like this for 2+ years, and the goal has been to do something nice for Tor and to make it easier fo

Re: [tor-relays] Cloudflare Onions Beta and Network Stability

Yes, correct. In general in my calculations I took into account worst-case scenarios to see the worst-case result. Realistically I would believe this to be an opt-in, so way way way fewer websites have it, and not see a significant bandwidth increase from Tor to Cloudflare, because of the above.

Re: [tor-relays] Cloudflare Onions Beta and Network Stability

On 2018-08-20 15:39, DaKnOb wrote: HOWEVER, Cloudflare doesn’t need to hide their location. Everyone knows their servers. So they can use single hop Onion Services, and not the traditional three hop ones. That means that in terms of total traffic, they will use 43 + (3*5) = ~ 60 Gb/s, out of

Re: [tor-relays] Cloudflare Onions Beta and Network Stability

The dirauths don't serve onion service descriptors. https://gitweb.torproject.org/torspec.git/tree/rend-spec-v2.txt (and -v3) Matt On 08/20/2018 07:38 PM, Nathaniel Suchy wrote: > Except perhaps the directory authorities? > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 7:19 PM, Alec Muffett

Re: [tor-relays] Cloudflare Onions Beta and Network Stability

Except perhaps the directory authorities? On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 7:19 PM, Alec Muffett wrote: > One point that's been completely missed in the hyperbolic fear-mongering > so far: > > Even if Cloudflare onionified a bazillion domain names, there are still > only a few million people who use Tor

Re: [tor-relays] Cloudflare Onions Beta and Network Stability

One point that's been completely missed in the hyperbolic fear-mongering so far: Even if Cloudflare onionified a bazillion domain names, there are still only a few million people who use Tor who could generate the load to connect to them. As such: nothing is gonna explode. -a ___

Re: [tor-relays] Cloudflare Onions Beta and Network Stability

Nathaniel Suchy: > As some of you may have heard, Cloudflare is beta testing opportunistic > onions. This of course is going to create more Tor traffic. Cloudflare has > several concerns about running their own relays and says they won’t at this > time. That said if every Cloudflare website becom

Re: [tor-relays] Cloudflare Onions Beta and Network Stability

Hi everyone, tl;dr: stop panicking. This appears to be a per-site opt-in thing. Death by overload is not going to happen, however exciting it might be to predict the apocalypse. Have a cup of tea. Chill. - alec ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-re

Re: [tor-relays] Cloudflare Onions Beta and Network Stability

Cloudflare had a post yesterday[1] on their blog[2] that said they have about 10,000,000 domain names using their service. So that’s a rough number of the maximum number of websites that will be made available over Tor. Now in reality I expect all their large customers to opt-out, unless it’s an

Re: [tor-relays] Cloudflare Onions Beta and Network Stability

In the name of improving security, let's pretend Cloudflare is acting, without a shadow of doubt, in full malice. They want to get every Cloudflare website onion service as fast as possible. That would create a huge amount of circuits and I worry about whether the network can handle it. What inform

Re: [tor-relays] Cloudflare Onions Beta and Network Stability

Is there any kind of information about what kind of bandwidth / connections they are expecting to route? Having a sense of scale in a ratio of current numbers I think would let everyone plan for what they're currently seeing multiply by X as a baseline. On 2018-08-20 11:23 AM, Nathaniel Suchy wr